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Hey Stefan,

to answer your questions

The link http://www.planetenergy.com/model2f.htm (7.8 MB) shows you the dynamic behaviour of two interacting elements equipped with magnets.
The link http://www.planetenergy.com/mech15.htm presents a very similar dynamic behaviour of two interacting elements equipped with springs.

In simple terms:

• A repulsive arrangement of magnets in between two interacting elements causes self-compensation among each other.
  
  and


• a pre-compressed arrangement of springs in between two interacting elements causes self-compensation among each other.

Advantage of springs:

• They are cheaper
• much easier to handle
• and enable big applications

The links
http://planetenergy.com/mech7.htm
http://planetenergy.com/mech12.htm
are demonstrating the the energy input (IPS Loader).

This "Loader" (5 interacting elements, first element turnes linear with an electric motor, last element is switched free in intervals by a brake) simply replaces a step motor.

Advantage compared to a step motor:

Much less energy consumption.

Result:
Timed impulse is repeated released (with hydraulic brake) into an arrangement of interacting elements (IPS SYSTEM installed and interlinked after 5th element).
As each burst ( ex:180 degree) is causing all following elements to turn one by one forward (caused through mass moment of inertia) until all elements are in the new position predetermined by the first element burst.

As self-compensation, even by an applied generator, is guaranteed through the specific amount of pre-compression of the springs, work is being transferred and created by the IPS System during each equalizing process.

Each burst (ex:180 degree impulse) needs energy, but the right amount of subsequent interlinked elements causes the dynamic rotation of each weight of these disks.

As mass in motion represents energy and as the emerging torque is transfered onto a collector axis, we can overcome the initiated amount of energy if the amount of extracted torque is handled carfully.
in principle: http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm


to your last two questions you can study the energy flow at:
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech12.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech5.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mech3.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/flow1.htm

to your question Posted on: Today at 04:06:19 AM a detailed explanation will follow.

The right combination is a delicate but possible task.

Please let me know if you obtained a better understanding and do not hesitate to ask us additional questions.

Best Regards
Johannes Schroetter

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[hartiberlin]

Hi Johannes,
the main questions still remains.

In:

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm

does it really produce 1500 Joule from 1000 Joule input
or are you just using the precompressed springs to deliver the
500 extra Joules ?
As you had to precompress the springs earlier maybe you get only
now back, what you put in before ?

How can you be sure, that the springs are then again after the cycle
in the precompressed status and the cycle can repeat again with additional
500 Joules output ?

If I can understand this concept, I can try to make an equivalent electronic circuit
which would behave the same way and so it would bemuch easier to do, than
to make a mechanical device.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: With what software package  did you do the great 3D animations
and conversion to Flash ? Thanks.

[FreeEnergy]

hehehehehe 
yes it can be simplified into that Stefan!

[planetenergy]

http://www.planetenergy.com


Dear Stefan,

We have recently updated our website. You should go on:

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri12.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri11.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri10.htm

This will help you to get a better general understanding.

In "early experiments" on the sitemap (http://www.planetenergy.com/map1.htm)
you will find prior studies based on magnets. I also placed the links on the bottom of that page.

To your question:
As you had to precompress the springs earlier maybe you get only
now back, what you put in before ?

Answer:
Lets take as an example were two elements are the "Loader" and

10 elements (with backstopping clutches) are additionaly connected like in

http://www.planetenergy.com/pri10.htm

Specifications:

Rotational discharge is 45 degrees
(45 degrees for an easier understanding, 180 degrees is a more effective but far more complicated to explain in its dynamic behaviour)

On the first element where the level is fixed, we apply an overrunning clutch, so we can push the handle up and down, creating bursts.

The burst frequency of the level is 30 times 45 degrees per minute.

Therfore:

We have to compress 30 times per minute the two first interlinked elements quick enough to initiate an impulse and achieve subsequently compensation  in the
following 10 elements.

To obtain 30 times 45 degrees = 1350 degrees, we need

30 x 300W for 0.2 sec = 6 sec 300 W per minute.

This represents 0.030 kWh input.

The compensating 10 elements have turned after 1 minute

30 times 10 elements x 45 degrees= 13 500 degrees.

300 times the 10 elements have turned their inner compression into motion (energy), what we achieved by "surprising them", physically speaking through their
mass moment of inertia. As higher the mass of the disks as higher we can set the compression of the springs.

We can also increase the dynamic weight of the disks by applying the right ratio between inner element and outer collector axis (equipped with overruning clutches)
plus applied flywheel as demonstated in

http://www.planetenergy.com/mech17.htm



The applied generator (with 50W consumtion) has produced after 1 minute respectively

0.050 kWh.


To your question:
How can you be sure, that the springs are then again after the cycle
in the precompressed status and the cycle can repeat again with additional
500 Joules output ?


Answer:

Lets say the precompression of each spring is 500 N
The maximum compression 1000 N.

If the total torque (friction plus generator) on the system is less than 500 N
(preverred 50% or less than the equalized force in between each interacting element)
each element must turn into the precompressed status.

Through its inner force, th spring naturally comments to come back to its extended position,
knowing that any present force or friction on the system remains lower than the compression of the spring.


The specific layout of all interacting elements will allow that 
any applied constant torque on the yellow collector axis under 840.33 in-lb will
not stop the 10 elements to achieve their symmetrical  balance.
The symmetry is disturbed, compensated, disturbed and compensated again and again.

As in our example the permanent torque in the system (friction) plus the torque on the generator
is far below the "critical torque" of 840.33 in-lb,
therefore the compensation of elements will constantly and fluently be achieved.

In short terms:

If you  kick the first element of an IPS Unit 1800 times an hour.

The IPS kicks 18 000 times an element for you.

By collecting the right amount of energy, the operating speed of the impulse will be constant.
As more torque is applied on the collector axis, less speed is appearing during the compensation of elements.
A wise ballance of all terms and conditions allows operational function and the highest performance
of the system.

As of today we are in progress of building several diffferent devices. We use for example cryogenic treated
springs, what will allow us constant and equal long term analysis.

Based on that results and after several design revisions we will build a self-sustainable unit.


I hope that I have answered your request to your satisfaction.

Johannes Schroetter

Planetenergy Ltd.



Links to prior studies based on magnets:

http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history1.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history2.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history3.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history4.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history5.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history6.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history7.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history8.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history9.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history11.htm
http://www.planetenergy.com/mag_history12.htm


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[hartiberlin]

Ich galube , vielleicht liegt der Fehler irgendwie darin, dass Ihr denkt,
dass die Welle, die den Generator dreht das System nicht abschw?cht.

Richtig m?sste aber sein, dass durch die Stromentnahme am Generator
die Welle ja belastet wird und sich deshalb wahrscheinlich der Impuls gar nicht
bis zum Ende der Kette weiter forplanzt, oder ?
Das Drehen der Welle erfordert schon soviel Energie, dass der Impuls nach 1 bis 2 Gliedern
versackt und zum Erliegen kommt, w?rde ich sagen....

Wo soll sonst die ganze Energie denn herkommen ?
Es ist doch ein rein mechanisches geschlosenes System und von aussen kann
ja keine Energie hineinfliessen...

Also woher w?rde Eurer Meinung nach die ?berschuss-Energie herkommen ?