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The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!

Started by captainpecan, November 16, 2008, 11:02:42 PM

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captainpecan

Here's another video that shows how the motor is not using energy to run. And that it in fact still acts the same way when it is loaded down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwp7podu06s

Grumpy

Quote from: AbbaRue on December 06, 2008, 06:09:46 AM

One question I have, how could you transfer all the energy of one cap. into another cap. ?


To do this you have to move the dielectric or the energy in it and by that I mean you have to move the state of stress that was the response to the energy initially applied to the capacitor.

For example,  take a plastic cylinder and place 4 set of capacitor plates on each side like poles of a motor with the plastic cylinder in the middle of the plates of each pole.  Charge one "pole" of plates.  Rotate the plastic cylinder so that the portion of plastic that was between the pole that you charged is now between the poles of the next "pole" of plates.  The energy stored at the first pole will now be at the second pole.  This is just for illustrative purposes, as it takes energy to physically move the cylinder.  Wait.  Add a magnetic field via a large solenoid around the entire cylinder and poles.  Now the rotating cylinder will also generate charge in the pole plates.

There you have Grumpy's dielectric windmill and a lesson in dielectrics.
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HEYDUDE

Dear kind sir, Captain

I have reviewed you latest video, might I make a few suggestions?

Please examine your non-ideal motor and consider what it actually is for three conditions,1 rotor unloaded, 2 rotor loaded with a prony brake and 3 locked rotor.

You will discover that the effective capacitive, inductive and resistive components will vary in each condition.

Create an electrical model for the motor for each of the three conditions, this will lead to a deeper understanding of the physics of the energy transfer in your experiments.

You have in each case (for a non-ideal motor) resistive. inductive and capacitive effects, creating a complex reactive circuit function.

May I suggest that you refine your experiment to bring it to the level of a good scientific experiment.  Eliminate the use of clip leads with their variable contact resistance. Use relays with mercury wetted contacts and short heavy soldered wires for all interconnections to eliminate resistive losses. Measure or standardize all capacitors.

Use a prony brake (piece of string, weight and pulley) for your motor so that you may obtain accurate loading. Or put a paddle on the end and immerse it in a fluid. Or couple it to an identical motor with a variable resistive load. It will reflect this load to the first motor.

Just a little inductance (mH) between the caps is required for you to get higher readings on the capacitors because when you use a direct cap to cap short, the instantaneous current tries to go to near infinity and energy is used up in the resistive losses in the circuit (clip leads, contact resistance, ESR of capacitors) not to mention EM losses through radiation due to high oscillatory frequency.

The addition of a little inductance (mH) allows a slow rise of current and lowers the oscillation frequency considerably, lowering instantaneous losses.

Your motor has reactive components that create a few illusions. I will leave it to you to discover what these are, as I have done many of these experiments years ago, before I had a deeper understanding of the underlying physics.

Its a little painful to watch people hacking their way through the jungle when a paved road was built through these regions eons ago.........of course I don't have to watch!.

HD.

Pirate88179

@ CaptainPecan:

Nice job on the video.  Very well done and explained.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

alan

Powertransfer goes in a positive parabolic curve with R as variable, the highest point having the most efficient resistor value, don't know the eqn. exactly anymore.
No FE here is my guess, but try this:
Load the motor by coupling it to a second motor, which then acts as a dynamo, and connect the dynamo to a capacitor.

hmm:
http://www.smpstech.com/charge.htm