Joule Thief

[ltseung888]

@gadgetmall: That is some nice stuff. I like the Black Box a lot. I'm sorry that I can't help out by buying one from you, but I'm impoverished myself..... the panel idea is also great. You'll have success on EBay I'm sure.


@LTseung: I hope we can confirm or correct your power measurements. You've done a nice presentation, so let's clean it up with unquestionable data and let the chips fall where they may.

This thread is growing too fast for me to keep up.  My strength is in conceptual physics.  See
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1516.msg26592#new.


If we can lead-out energy from Air molecules, we should be able to lead-out electron motion energy.  All we need to do is to treat the arrows as dipoles (tiny magnets).


One aspect of the Joule Thief circuits is that many can light up LEDs but they have different efficiency.  Initially, I used the simple Vpp as comparison index.  I now use the AC coupling feature to get the full waveform for comparison. 


There is no doubt that the basic JT provides a high pulse voltage (> 3V) to light the LED.  One under test has 106V with no load.  When I add the secondary and vary the load with variable resistors, I can hit on an AC Coupled COP greater than 5,000 and actual Output Power greater than 40 watts.  With the 2n3055, G-LED and BSI can produce Output Power > 1KW from Input Power < 80 watts (as measured from DC Power Supply).


I shall double check and provide more data at the above link.  A resonance-tuned JT (FLEET) is much more powerful than a normal JT.

[ltseung888]

This thread is growing too fast for me to keep up.  My strength is in conceptual physics.  See
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1516.msg26592#new.


If we can lead-out energy from Air molecules, we should be able to lead-out electron motion energy.  All we need to do is to treat the arrows as dipoles (tiny magnets).


One aspect of the Joule Thief circuits is that many can light up LEDs but they have different efficiency.  Initially, I used the simple Vpp as comparison index.  I now use the AC coupling feature to get the full waveform for comparison. 


There is no doubt that the basic JT provides a high pulse voltage (> 3V) to light the LED.  One under test has 106V with no load.  When I add the secondary and vary the load with variable resistors, I can hit on an AC Coupled COP greater than 5,000 and actual Output Power greater than 40 watts.  With the 2n3055, G-LED and BSI can produce Output Power > 1KW from Input Power < 80 watts (as measured from DC Power Supply).


I shall double check and provide more data at the above link.  A resonance-tuned JT (FLEET) is much more powerful than a normal JT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3sSus1-B4

Some resonance effects.  A capacitor was added to the JT.  As the the charge of the capacitor is slowly drained to power the LEDs, the frequency of oscillation and hence the resonance condidtion changes.

The LEDs get brighter or dimmer as the circuit goes through different frequencies and thus different resonance peaks.
This shows the importance of resonance and resonance-tuning in JT research.

God Bless.

[TinselKoala]

One aspect of the Joule Thief circuits is that many can light up LEDs but they have different efficiency.  Initially, I used the simple Vpp as comparison index.  I now use the AC coupling feature to get the full waveform for comparison. 


There is no doubt that the basic JT provides a high pulse voltage (> 3V) to light the LED.  One under test has 106V with no load.  When I add the secondary and vary the load with variable resistors, I can hit on an AC Coupled COP greater than 5,000 and actual Output Power greater than 40 watts.  With the 2n3055, G-LED and BSI can produce Output Power > 1KW from Input Power < 80 watts (as measured from DC Power Supply).

I see you did not absorb the messages of the videos I made for you.
Your claims are extravagantly inflated and are due to your lack of knowledge of power measurement and the use of your oscilloscope.

"one under test has 106V with no load"
This is a pitifully low figure, Lawrence. I have a JT sitting here right in front of me that charges a 22 uF capacitor to over 70 volts in under 30 seconds, with less than one volt input from a dead AAA battery. That's an LED JT.

My little 10mH neon JT charges that same cap to 200 V plus in seconds (I stop it to avoid damaging the cap). And this is actual DC voltage, that remains on the cap (until it leaks off) and can be used elsewhere. And that is running on a 1.34 volt AAA battery. And you boast about a reading of 106 V with no load, and claim OU and some special knowledge about JTs. I laugh at you, conceptual physicist.

So if you think you've got those massive outputs and those huge OU ratios... then you must conclude that I've got even more.


I've just made _another_ video illustrating the voltage measurement of over 200 volts output, captured on a capacitor, on less than one volt input. The capacitor has the virtue of capturing and integrating all the nice high voltage spikes and winds up charged to nearly the full peak voltage of the JT output-- very quickly.  This is REAL, DC voltage, not some AC-coupled fiction on a 1-megohm impedance input scope screen.

The video is processing and uploading now, and should be ready in half an hour or so.

Also... .ENERGY is conserved. POWER.... not necessarily. If you think you can claim massive COP from instantaneous power measurements like you are doing now, you are just blowing smoke and fooling yourself.

And as far as your "divine revelation" drawing of air molecules goes... one would think that you've never been in an airplane, going 500 km/hr along with all of the air molecules inside. Do you suppose the pressure is greater at the back of the airplane's cabin, than it is at the front?

The video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAkgwBS8q4A

[TinselKoala]

Another, showing the actual no-load voltage of the 10mH NE-2 JT on the HP180a delayed-timebase  analog oscilloscope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG9W2xUReg4

I just checked again and now that that battery has rested for a while, when I turned it on the spikes went to over 650 volts and it took a minute or so of running for them to drop back down to the level in the video above, around 520 volts.

(Note: I misread the timebase dial; the lefthand spikes are displayed at 0.1 ms/div, as anyone with functioning eyeballs can probably see. The righthand spike is correct, at 1 microsecond/div. Sorry about the light....)

[gadgetmall]

Nice Vids Tk.

@lawerance . your right you are just rolling over the resonance stuff we covered 3 or 4 years ago . Mk1 and Jeanna and all the original experimenters here mastered resonance a long time ago and i was the one who used a resonance tuned Jt to make the first aa powered heater light and you may know that Groundloop spent a lot of time on it to build a reciprocating circuit to recycle the massive 650 farad cap our jt charges up back into the little aa battery .
resonance was tediously done one wind at a time on both primary and secondarys . And the additions of tuned LCR tanks were introduce further .. 
Me, i am not claiming anything any more for no one  but me . I please me . If it make others happy replicating stuff i do to please themselves then great . Years ago i made a small Jt that produced over 3000 volts and it mess up TV's and radios 10 feet away and i called that circuit  the TV disrupter . I posted the diagrams and shared my results . . They are all great circuits these blocking oscillators have been wired every way possible using the transistor all three ways and with 20+ secondaries . We know they work good . Build my 1ua circuit using the base and emitter as your output and see what i mean . when you get below 1/2 ua and power an led then logically the next step is get lower . in the nano amps . when you get there lets start analyzing how that works and would that be >1 . right now i believe that is the record for lighting from practically nothing.

I need some money . I wonder is anyone is interested in a completed boxed 1/2 ua led jt. I have one running for a couple of months  off an aaa battery and it still can be turned on full bright with a twist of a pot. i think this circuit can light for years and years .. these light up with your hands holding two different metals . no battery required .
Anyway listen to Tk , He has superior knowledge on power measurements and keen insight . I am sure he wants what everyone wants and there are only a few i trust to calculate this to a fact.