Joule Thief

[TheNOP]

@jeanna
add a spin to it and you got yourself a pulsar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar

[jadaro2600]

@jadaro

Are you trying to tell us something that we don't get yet , i admirer your persistence in expressing your idea , i am still not sure of your motive , can you lite a neon on your experiment ? Or make usable voltage ? except lighting led because any jt dose that. Maybe people don't see a point in what you are doing except pure research , i know about the toroid supply problem , your experiment show well why the jt works in the first place induction between the wires , but i still am i bit lost on why perusing that alternative since its not really anything new , now please make one of those with many wire run the jt on two of those and see if there anything in the other coil.Sorry if you feel your idea are not followed but people don't follow what they don't understand.

@all

Some people earn a living making people fight on forums and prevent proper exchange of idea , google dirty dozen , but there is more to it. And yes there are some trolls on this site, why are there none in our jt topic , maybe because there are no tpu in the tittle , or we don't know who they are.

Dose any one knows what tpu stands for. and tell me what we are doing here.

Easy one first: Toroidal Power Unit.

Hard one next... 

The Idea is to find a configuration where NO ferrite is used.   Which I admit is a stretch for those high voltage situations...  But when compiling information, a monotony of configurations can actually hide potentials in a system.  Varying the configuration ultimately leads to innovations.  I know you know this.

I also should point out that...I'm not going to dance about the fact that not many people are following my idea, no mystery there, there is however, someone on youtube whose done similar work - where he got his idea from is a mystery to me. here's his video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOcMylA1xdk&NR=1.

My intentions are to minimize losses in the system - a toroid will loose to eddy currents...unless they are being constructive to the process - but the real idea is that flyback transformers are used for creating voltage and oscillations - so, when it comes to frequency, they're ( ferites ) limited...so are transistors, etc.

Your designs are good enough - I'm just innovating horizontally / tangentially at this point.

...which is why I tested some magnetic paint.  And as it turns out, doesn't work so well an the outside.  Herein lies the rub.  If the ferrite or iron powders or magnetic paints are decreasing the efficacy of the setup, then obviously something can be improved - I don't need to stress this here - especially after posting this on page 396.

Anyway...  Replacing the ferrite with some element which utilizes the eddy current losses is the idea - It's something a few people have been exploring here.

Recently I've entertained the idea of using a Villard circuit to boost voltages - it requires AC voltage, or something close.  These are also called Greinacher circuits.  Of course it requires AC ..and not DC, so some modification to my coil around coil setup would indeed have to occur.

*Edit   ... from a previous post

sphere ..and putting soils in that configuration, but

to "putting coils in that"...

[jeanna]

add a spin to it and you got yourself a pulsar.

Yes,

It IS spinning. All the energy is spinning in all those directions. Electricity and magnetism twirling around in a great cosmic dance. Shall we?



jeanna

[jadaro2600]

I am sure you know what I mean by 3 axes. x,y,z.

I thought you were talking about some other configuration. Silly me.

I see what you mean now - it's too bad I don't have any jacks laying around ( the toys ).  These made from steel or something might be interesting, a nice plastic would make a neutral setup.

[Mk1]

@jadaro

Base on my reading of toroid the the most efficient at containing eddy current , and i say that energy lost are a lot less , then traditional toroid, but i believe eddy current is a good thing it permits energy to be dispersed in the core and the air , eddy current is still electricity or energy you will minimize the lost if you pick it up ,the law say that the current is the same in all coil , you just add more coil , its stupid simple. Then on a toroid its also a transmitter , just google it toroidal transmitter , you will be looking at a jt , any radio will also prove it , if i had 100 radio they would all be picking it up , even a thousand , lost energy i say lost opportunity. The core reaction to current is part of the magic here , the reaction to the current is manifested is a magnetic way that is part of it to a major part , copper is not exhibiting the same property , they can make excess energy from the vacuum effect when pulsed at high speed , but that is not all the jt is about. Copper on copper its induction.     

Idea to try your wire coil around a toroid , maybe make a core of magnetic paint and bigger copper wire and one of iron wire , you make coil and encase them in paint , keeping the end of the core . Those could be pulsed form the center of the toroid or jt coil type outside and release the excess eddy current in the core .
Also try many wires pulse 2 of them and check the output from the others , maybe pulse 2 pair at different freq.

@all

The otto tup is 2 toroid copper core , that is nice but he is missing iron , but if you think about what its doing maybe the upper coil is picking up energy just like a radio coil.

Mark