Joule Thief

[nievesoliveras]

@Jesus,

Are my drawings what is confusing you?

In case, I will just say, I renamed those numbers to 1-8 instead of letters, since the letters can look like ACDC and other confusions we do not need.

@All,
I want to add not to the confusion, I hope, that there are 10 variations or combinations of these wires not 4.

#1 can connect with #5,#6,#7,#8 . once #1 is connected #2 can connect to three others, then #3 can connect to two others and finally THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE! 

This is the reason every wire should have a name and every wire pair should have a letter. AND the letters should not be ABC or D, but something never used, which is why I propose JKLM.

jeanna

What got me confused was the lines drawn circling in the center of everything. Those lines add to the confusion of what line goes where?
We have to choose the way of winding the wires with just single wires at first. Then after deciding the correct one, all the others go the same way.

@ nievesoliveras

This is the only connection that makes sense to me.

That is the same connection for a joule thief coil. Then if it is that one everything is duplicating a joule thief toroid coils each time the wires are added.

Jesus

[nievesoliveras]

NOT TO CONFUSE ...

but to clarifly .... 

i drew!!

here ya go

take it or leave it    lol 

ist!

369   

That seems a winded coil on a toroid with 6 coils firing to the center. And disguized as an old symbol.
I think that the outside coil is a moebius coil or a name close to that one.

Jesus

[jeanna]

@Jesus,

I think you are drawing the primary joule thief windings. ?? ??

In the winding of the "pickup"/secondary coils in the MK series, you wind first up in one direction then continuing to wind you go down. 

This actually reverses the wind from cw to ccw (or ccw to cw). Everyone should do this with a string and a pencil or a wire and a pipe.

This 2 directional winding "up then down" is what Nathan Stubblefield did. It is also the way the caduceus is wound.I believe it is the reason for the success MK1 is having.

Plus, as already stated:
In the case of the MK2 you just have more choices for connection. Every added wire going up then down on both sides of the split adds 4 more ends and more connection possibilities ... It is something that absolutely must be kept straight.

jeanna

[nievesoliveras]

@Jesus,

I think you are drawing the primary joule thief windings. ?? ??

In the winding of the "pickup"/secondary coils in the MK series, you wind first up in one direction then continuing to wind you go down. 

This actually reverses the wind from cw to ccw (or ccw to cw). Everyone should do this with a string and a pencil or a wire and a pipe.

This 2 directional winding "up then down" is what Nathan Stubblefield did. It is also the way the caduceus is wound.I believe it is the reason for the success MK1 is having.

Plus, as already stated:
In the case of the MK2 you just have more choices for connection. Every added wire going up then down on both sides of the split adds 4 more ends and more connection possibilities ... It is something that absolutely must be kept straight.

jeanna

Those are simple single pickup coils remember I chose to simplify first the configuration of the ac current going to the rectifier and coming from the two diferent coils A and C.

If you look the bifilar coil is divided on @mk1 original circuit at: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg168892#msg168892

The two coil separated are at: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg169420#msg169420

Jesus

*******Edit******

You see I am confused. I said coils A and C and that is incorrect.
The coils are A and B.  Forgive my mistake and confusion.
The coils I am trying to isolate are first A and B.

[jeanna]

Ah yes,

Before we go any farther, please change the names of the coils on your basic schematic to JKLM. Or, JK instead of AB for now.

That will help us and everyone who follows, and it is easier to change it today. You may not be ready to add the extra coils and wires today which is fine, but when you are, there will be this ABCD confusion built right into everything. So, please please change the names!

And,
No, you cannot simplify it to the point where the coil just goes in one direction.
MK1 did a very good job describing how to draw this. I have saved his drawing in the original on my computer. I will upload it now, but REMEMBER all the numbers must be changed from 1234,1234 to 1234,5678. OK?

I think making a MK1 is the best way to simplify this. I will look for a drawing if this, although I think there is not such a clear one. You can supply it once you understand the MK2. But I may try also.

I am tired of taking measurements that prove to be meaningless, so I may just like it.

thank you,

jeanna

pic follows of MK2 instrux for making the MK2.