Joule Thief

[jeanna]

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i will try at some point but i have not done ANY experments with the close coupling effect yet ..


but it works cuz the flow in the wire ..

...so if they were fairly close there would be interaction i think one could tap ...

and yet not drain much at all from the source .. i saw this in the way you left the wires long on the secondaries ..  plus i have had some chats in the past with a few people bout this kind a thing ..

I think I see.

I do not believe it has to be close and to couple magnetically or any other way.

Tesla put the other wire into the ground. In fact he put MORE than the other wire into the ground.
I need to sort out some of those extra wires, but that will be later.

My guess is that the reason you and others have a hard time with circuit drawings (me too) is that your circuit should be made the way tesla drew it.

xee2 made a drawing like it last night and called it the 'tesla coil circuit'.
I have been thinking about that.
Xee2 is an open minded experimenter who happened to be trained in electronics.
I guess xee2 learned it as an aside and for use only with tesla coil type things.

Is that right xee2?
I am not sure other EE trained people are even aware of this way to draw the circuit.

In any case, I suggest we all change over to that way.
It makes more sense and more importantly, it opens our minds to possibilities just from its very shape.

... wires trailing off into space.
That is a lot of potential, if you ask me!

I am off to experiment with the Y!

jeanna

[xee2]

@ jeanna

There is one test you could do on your setup to see.

Make the solenoid go past the middle point and see what happens.

I have already done this and posted the results. Here they are again.

[altrez]

@ jeanna

I have already done this and posted the results. Here they are again.

I have also went past middle and have had great success.

I think the Mk1 coil looks pretty neat and I have tried my hand at winding a few and really never saw anything the would make me believe it has any advantage over a normal winding.

Can someone please explain to me why the Mk1 coil is better? And can show proof with some shots from a scope? I would like to see that documented on a toroid that can be purchsed anywhere an not one thats hard to find.

Thanks!

-Altrez 

[jeanna]

OK xee2, maybe you did. But that isn't what I meant.
If you are comparing results, did you take measurements on that 2 inch one when it was wound only half way? ... to compare with it all the way around?
If you did then that would be one comparison of your own coil where you had wound just half then across the center.
But perhaps you did.

@Altrez, I have some scope shots but people hate my fuzzy scope shots. (so do I)
I will put some up sometime if I can.
Basically they are far more complex. They sometimes have sinewaves; mostly, they have spikes going both up and down.
Do you remember the one ist showed yesterday where there were 2 up-spikes of different lengths and 2 shorter down-spikes of different lengths?

That is a shape I have seen many times on MK style pickups.

But, I have also seen ringing on things that were not mk designs.

I was doing a test for myself one day because I was wanting to get this.
I did one after another and then in the end I looked at some previous results from mk1's and there was no comparison.
It is possible that that day was before I was really comfortable with my scope.
I may not have a scopeshot of all that from that day.

BUT, the bottom line is the bottom line.
If it doesn't get better results as in lighting fluro for 10 hours, then it is not better even if it is prettier.
Bottom line.

jeanna

[innovation_station]

now were touching on orbit ... 

and im not going there yet ...

wires off into space ...   

lol

here is 1 way i look at this ..

if i made a bifillar mk2 coil meaning both coils are bifillar ..  the magic feild created upon colapse  now with just 1 transistor is what your tapping ... 

if i did 2 of them pos and neg in sync ..  will both colapses aid the electro magic ??

i bet they would if wound properly as long as you dont tap the transistor and if you did tap it i would use 1 of 2 methods ... a diode and a super cap or just a non polorized cap then the cap would fill for the next pulse ..  but this can get dangrous .... 

so i dont post how to do it as the fly back from the coil compounds in the fireing cap

TESLA TRANSFORMER ... ?

SO KEEP THE KICK MAGNETIC IF YOU CAN TAP FROM THAT ...

AS THE BIG MAGNETICS PRODUCED COME FROM THE KICK   

THEN YOU COULD GET CRAZY AND ADD THIS TO THE TESLA PATTEND BOTH NPN AND PNP OUT OF PHASE ..

IF YA GET WHAT I MEAN ...



ist!

4 transistors 1 toroide  4 bifiller coils and transformer windings/ generator windings ...

first pair in sync npn pnp then the next pair in sync

so you have it going 12 12 12   bla bla bla

but all i can find is a SILLY FLASHLIGHT OFFER LOL !!!!!


NO THANK YOU! 

FLOROS ARE NOT good 4 u .... incase you dont know ....  why does inperfection exsist ...

if you made a perfect coil ...  would it not self destruct in a short time ... ?

mk1 maybe you need to reteach them HOW TO TUNE A TOROIDE ....

can you please ...

you explain it i will do it as i need to do it to my biggo .... B4 I BUILD MY 6 PHASE 2 FREQ DUBBLE POWER SUPPLY UNIT ON IT ...  THAT WILL ONLY RUN FROM AN EXTERNAL SOURCE TO RECHARGE THE FIRST SET OF DRIVEING BATTERIES ...  then its on its own ..... POWER...

HUMMMMM





THIS WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFRANCE ON YOUR OU PUT..... 

then i guess you could drain the driveing battery or my STARTOR ...and find out my cop lol 

but im just guessing for ever is a long time to waite for the results of the output test ... so you could effectivly do the math...

oh yea   BOOOOYAH!  LOL