Joule Thief

[jeanna]

@jeanna
...BTW i ordered a scope just like yours it will be here Monday! I figured it would be a good one to learn on and should last awhile.
-Altrez

Cool.

Now, we can help each other figure it out!

I am starting to get it, now.

@theNOP

there is a point where the frequency will limit the currents flow.

Maybe then we will be getting somewhere.
When frequency can act like amps or current, we will not need amps.
I do believe this is what Tesla discovered and tried to tell us in that patent someone thought was vague.
Well, that patent is just the circuit of how to hook it up when it is produced.
He was talking about it in general over the course of many patents.
Too bad his patents are all we have.
But, perhaps they are good enough because he was forced to explain himself in them.

jeanna

[Artic_Knight]

here is a cleaned up version of the "tesla thief"

[TheNOP]

@theNOP
Maybe then we will be getting somewhere.
When frequency can act like amps or current, we will not need amps.

i think you have missed my post where i crudely explain what is AC currents.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg173667#msg173667
it is not the exact definition, but i was thinking it would help you see more clearly what Tesla meant.

i will elaborate a bit more about it.

let say you have a source that can only deliver 1mA per second, 1 cycle taking a second.
if frequency per second double, you will have .5mA per .5 second, because your source can't give you more per second.

now let say your source is adding 1mA per cycle, a cycle taking 1 second.
if frequency per second double, you will get 2 mA per second, 1mA per .5 second.
it will only keep adding while your power source can provide more.
pass that point, you will have to find a way to increase the output of your source.

the frequency is not what do work, the volts + amps do.
EDIT : not exactly true, frequency do some works, where there is coupling, either capacitive or inductive, but those are transfer of energy.

ex:
what i am trying to determine is, if i double the volts/amps at the expense of the frequency(ex:skipping 1 cycle per 2 cycles to double the amps), can i make anything i want work as if the volts/amps as been doubled for real.

looking at the jt, i think the answere is yes.
not because the jt is doubling the volts/amps at the expense of the frequency, it does not.
but the jt create a similar effect.
it make something work that otherwise would not work.

[stprue]

@Mk1 & @Jeanna

Here is my attempt at the Mk1 x2 coil.  Let me know if this looks right to you.  Any tips on the hook-up would save me some time.

[stprue]

On the bottom one you will notice crossovers.  I also have crossovers on the sides but I wasn't sure if I need them across the bottom as well.