Joule Thief

[resonanceman]

This   -/\/\/\-
must be better than
this   --|-|-|--

jeanna

I do not think it is that simple

I agree   that    -/\/\/\-  probably has more  power  to drive a load than --|-|-|--...

I  think that  --|-|-|-- is probably better for  producing more power .
It is more like  small disruptive  discharges .

My intuition tells me that we should keep the spikes as  narrow  as possible  when  trying to make more   power .
Then  we can  run the spikes through  a resonant circuit  and fatten  them up

gary

[stprue]

@all

Ok...

so we can light strings of leds and flouros!

We have some high voltage DC and AC

How can we close the loop?

I'm not sure but I have a question...and this maybe a good reason to strave for ever higher voltages, but I'm not sure because I don't know evough about transformers/converters/induction ect. (The list can go on and on hehe)

Is it possible to change say 950v @ low amps to say 150v @ higher amp?  Yes

My question is...

Has somebody tried to transform something along the lines of the above voltages and then re-rectified it and closed the loop of the circuit?  Results? Can we use induction properties from another coil and add it to the same circuit to increase longevity or better?

[resonanceman]

@all

Ok...

so we can light strings of leds and flouros!

We have some high voltage DC and AC

How can we close the loop?

I'm not sure but I have a question...and this maybe a good reason to strave for ever higher voltages, but I'm not sure because I don't know evough about transformers/converters/induction ect. (The list can go on and on hehe)

Is it possible to change say 950v @ low amps to say 150v @ higher amp?  Yes

My question is...

Has somebody tried to transform something along the lines of the above voltages and then re-rectified it and closed the loop of the circuit?  Results? Can we use induction properties from another coil and add it to the same circuit to increase longevity or better?

stprue

I have been working on that for a while
I am  making pulses  with the JT  then  feeding the pulses into  coils  to create flyback pulses .....
I   am using my LM  coils  for   making the flyback pulses .....but I think any JT coil  would  work   .......some better than others

I normally  connect the  secondarys  of the  JT coils  in series with the  load .
I use  the  secondarys  because they have more windings .
Standard  coils will work too .............but with a JT  coil  you have the   possibility of using the  other winding for feedback .

I find  that  the  coil with the highest inductance  should be used for the  driving  JT
I find that if  you try to follow  a  small inductor with  a large one  it tends to act as a choke  rather than   make flyback .

I only  reached  what seems to be  charging state once  with toroid  based JTs  ....... ( both  battery voltage and  output   voltage going up )
It  took 9   coils  for  flyback/feedback 
If I remember right only 5 were hooked  up  for feedback .

With my LMs I can   reach that charging  state with 6 coils      3   if I use  the  Jesus  charger.

So far  it  charges for a while ..............but lf left unattended  it will   eventually  discharge.
It may be   drifting out of resonance
It may be  what was called empty volts .
It may be bad  connections . ....... ( alligator clips )

I am  working with a larger  coil  now .........when I get it going I will post some numbers

gary

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[stprue]

stprue

I have been working on that for a while
I am  making pulses  with the JT  then  feeding the pulses into  coils  to create flyback pulses .....
I   am using my LM  coils  for   making the flyback pulses .....but I think any JT coil  would  work   .......some better than others

I normally  connect the  secondarys  of the  JT coils  in series with the  load .
I use  the  secondarys  because they have more windings .
Standard  coils will work too .............but with a JT  coil  you have the   possibility of using the  other winding for feedback .

I find  that  the  coil with the highest inductance  should be used for the  driving  JT
I find that if  you try to follow  a  small inductor with  a large one  it tends to act as a choke  rather than   make flyback .

I only  reached  what seems to be  charging state once  with toroid  based JTs  ....... ( both  battery voltage and  output   voltage going up )
It  took 9   coils  for  flyback/feedback 
If I remember right only 5 were hooked  up  for feedback .

With my LMs I can   reach that charging  state with 6 coils      3   if I use  the  Jesus  charger.

So far  it  charges for a while ..............but lf left unattended  it will   eventually  discharge.
It may be   drifting out of resonance
It may be  what was called empty volts .
It may be bad  connections . ....... ( alligator clips )

I am  working with a larger  coil  now .........when I get it going I will post some numbers

gary

Thank you for your reply.  This is very similar to what I have been thinking about but only with a JT w/o secondaries.  I have 2 speaker inductor coils that I think I will need to play around with.  I am currently using the biggo coil and have good voltage coming from it, so now I need to re-change this voltage into something different!  Gary, do you think that striving for higher voltages is a good thing?  To me it does because the more voltage you can get out of a JT running of a AA the more voltage you can transform!

@ Pirate

Empty voltage!!!

What are your thoughts on this because to me and what I have seen in your experiments a maxcap/supercap/ultracap can put this so called empty voltage to preform work?