Joule Thief

[TheNOP]

NOP test it. and tell me im wrong again.

you can be sure i will when i get the proper tool.
i don't have $250 for a gaussmeter.
but i think i could use a milligram scale($40) to get the "pulls" measurements values.
the scale will be usefull to me for other things too.

not to prove you right or wrong.
but to clear my own mind on the subject.

here is what i expect of those tests:
i stick to what i said: "same current strenght = same mag field strenght".
and what is doubled is the capacitance.

we can make coils in whitch the same current is fighting its own self and we can make coils in whitch the current will not fight with itself.
sure, if it is fighting against itself your measurements will be lower.
the measurements will be what is left of the fight.
but even in a fight case, the field strenght  = amps strenght, it it simply nulling itself.

what are the coil's configurations in whitch the current fight itself and whitch are those that won't.
that is the real question.

for mag field creation coils, do not wind a second layer backward over the first one.
that was my initial mistake when i first done that experiment...


@jeanna
120 volts input ballast output 7.5 KV

the breackdown voltage is the voltage needed for the neon tubes to start conducting.
once they start conducting their resistance is reduce tremenducely.
see Jaccob's ladder experiment.
even if the discharge initialy start at the smallest gap space, it will climb up to where the air is the more ionized.



@all
someone disassembled a scanner lately ?
i found nice things in a broken one.
tiny neons tube and their source circuits.

the circuits are working with 12 volts but i think my other scanner should work on 5 volts as the power source of it is USB.
those neons do light fully on most of my jts.

[electricme]

@ Resonanceman,

If  you assume  that   current teachings about   
how  things  work are accureate and complete .......there is no reason to  experiment.

I believe that  the  curriculum  in our collages   have been  tweaked  to  " overlook "  the  'quirks ' that  could   produce OU .

Back EMF  or flyback   is one of those things .......much is taught about how to overcome it ....... nothing is taught about how to use it  to benefit  us .

The induction of  AC current is not  exactly  what we have been taught .

The  JT  can be used to  study  either of these  " quirks "

I  believe that  the powers that be  started  influencing   our collages  around the time that Tesla was blacklisted .

We have 200 years of  flawed  teaching to overcome .
I am not saying that  our collages  are  wrong in general
99 % of what they teach  is  right and  accurate .
Most  of the  1%   ........the ' quirks " that could  produce OU   are handled  by omission   rather than lies
They teach how to avoid the problem .........  the problem is never really studied .

If I am right about  this .........expermenting is the only moral thing to do .
We   need the  truth .............. we can not   go on much longer  with our current energy policy

gary

Gary,
I couldn't agree with you more, top answer this.

jim

[jeanna]

@theNOP

@jeanna
120 volts input ballast output 7.5 KV

the breackdown voltage is the voltage needed for the neon tubes to start conducting.
once they start conducting their resistance is reduce tremenducely.
see Jaccob's ladder experiment.
even if the discharge initialy start at the smallest gap space, it will climb up to where the air is the more ionized.

Thanks. That is much higher than I thought.
I guess we have done really well to light the fluoro with 450v!
I am encouraged

thanks,

jeanna

[electricme]

@ Gadgetmall
Is this a new meaning for the dictionary?

Try winding over 50 different torroids and you will find torridness

What ever that means. its in spell check and sounded good.
Gadget

Yes it does sound good, lol, and if used in the Joule Thief, it could mean "developing a sence of feeling of being on the right path in your investigations", hmmm

jim

[electricme]

@Stprue
Arrr now this is what I have been waiting for, someone has stumbled on the next step.

@all

Ok...

so we can light strings of leds and flouros!

We have some high voltage DC and AC

How can we close the loop?

I'm not sure but I have a question...and this maybe a good reason to strave for ever higher voltages, but I'm not sure because I don't know evough about transformers/converters/induction ect. (The list can go on and on hehe)

Is it possible to change say 950v @ low amps to say 150v @ higher amp?  Yes

My question is...

Has somebody tried to transform something along the lines of the above voltages and then re-rectified it and closed the loop of the circuit?  Results? Can we use induction properties from another coil and add it to the same circuit to increase longevity or better?

~Stew, you have been sitting there thinking into the dim recesses of your mind havent you!
So what happens if you have 4 outputs, say what ever volts but it has 1 amp on each output?
You have a total of 4 amps to play with.

I have already been doing this for the last 6 weeks, (not amps), but mA.
I wound a toroid with 4 strands of copper wire, each independantly has its own bridge rectifier, each DC output is driving an identical load.
I have not parallelled them all up though.

But you are on the right track.
jim

How to get amps out of a toroid? hit it hard with a amperage pulse. Dont lightly hit it, WHACK it.

jim