Joule Thief

[jadaro2600]

re: iron use...

I've posted this image as a reminder that this type of coil setup works, but it's effects are so minimal that it's not worth trying.. i recently wound a coil similar to the one in the image except the inner coils were the primaries and the otter coil, green, was an iron wire...

The presence of the iron didn't effect the voltages or performance of the output, unless it was shorted out; in which case it reduced voltage output without benefiting the process in any way.  Beneficial voltage gains were minimal.

This experiment was done in curiosity of the effects of an iron encasement; so my efforts of obtaining iron filings for a similar purpose are on hold at the moment.

For future reference, the coil you see is the essence of the experiment I performed.  Sorry, but the numbers are so low there's not any information worth posting with specificity, however, it does seem likely that a ferrite powder would perform better than a steel wire.

In addition to the attempt, I placed a neomag on the coil, and the voltage output decrease significantly.  It appears as though bringing a permanent magnet near a BO-JTC coil setup is decreasing the performance of those coils when they're being used as an oscillator.

In summary, it seems as though isolated, atomized magnetic moments are what causes a greater response in oscillatory voltage production. In other words, the conduction of a core seems to destroy that degree of magnetic flux which can be produced instantaneously.

Disclaimer: This information is based on a single experiment.

PS, you people make me laugh.

[stprue]

@ Hazens1

I was wondering how those new cores were working out for you?  I want to purchase a few but want to make sure thier performance is good/great!

@all

Has anybody hooked up a DC/DC converter to a JT?  Does it work?

[TheNOP]

Can  you  prove  that    any of  your " proven  scientific  facts" are  really true?

for those that don't require specialised equipments to prouve them, yes.

you must make the difference between theories, commonly accepted facts, and laws.
theories are there to help to understand the laws.
while it might not exactly work as the theories say, it does not mean the laws are not how things tends to behave.

we are living in a greedy world.
if someone find something that can be sold, it will take time before all the details get out.
but what does that have to do with thrusting science's facts ?

science is the observation of how nature is working.
do you really think one can hide how its really behave for long while telling only parts of it ?

I  guess  all I can really say to you is be thankful of  your education ......but do not  trust it ......  do not assume that   you have been taught all that  there is  to know about anything .

i don't even thrust my own self...

i prefectly know that one can't learn everything in his life time.
base on that fact, i can see why some parts of the knowledge you are speaking of are set aside.
you will get those knowledge only if you are going to specialise in a specific field.
can't you see that ?

In  a culture such as ours that actively teaches that OU is not possible .
The  only ones smart enough to find  OU  are the uneducated .
The educated  are no longer smart enough to even try .

using the definition of OU: "tapping an unknown source"
you are mostly right.
but like in everything, there are exceptions tho.

[Cap-Z-ro]

@ jadaro,

In reference to your previous post...

" In addition to the attempt, I placed a neomag on the coil, and the voltage output decrease significantly.  It appears as though bringing a permanent magnet near a BO-JTC coil setup is decreasing the performance of those coils when they're being used as an oscillator. "


In disassembling a microwave magnetron I found 2 toroid magnets (failed to note the polarity configuration tho)...considering that it and the j/t both deal with high frequency, it stands to reason that 2 magnets in various arrangements would have to be similarly applied to the j/t before giving up on the concept.

Hope that is of value somehow.

Regards...

[resonanceman]

you must make the difference between theories, commonly accepted facts, and laws.
theories are there to help to understand the laws.
while it might not exactly work as the theories say, it does not mean the laws are not how things tends to behave.

What  about the laws?

It  seems to me that a wise person  that was interested in  progress would never teach anyone about " laws "

As soon as you accept  something as law ......it is not  questioned ......it is not  studied more ......... people  do not look deeper  because they already know the law .

IN reality   there are no laws ............just  commonly  held  theorys .
Your  wording was very careful
You said "t does not mean the laws are not how things tends to behave."
Tends to behave ........ so you know that the laws are not really laws  if they just describe  a tendency  to behave  in a particular way . If  a law was actually a law there would be no tendancy .........there would only  be  obedience of the law.
But nature is not like that ......... There is ALWAYS an exception.
It is the exceptions that we seek

we are living in a greedy world.
if someone find something that can be sold, it will take time before all the details get out.
but what does that have to do with thrusting science's facts ?

here you are assuming that there is a desire  within the  scientific comunity to get the facts out .
The  main desire within  the scientific comunity  is the same  desire as in any other profession .......to  maintain  their  jobs ........and maybe  move up .
It has nothing to do with honesty .......it has nothing to do with integrety .
A scientist  that   turns in a report  that runs counter to  the agenda of the  company will soon be unemployed  .
You  can not know   if a study  can be trusted untill you know  who paid for the study .
WHen I was  young they used to tell who  did the study ........now .........   a  " scientific  study "  is  gospel ......it is  true   because it is  a scientific  study .
I have heard  of thoiusands of  studies being  quoted on the news in the last  few years .....NONE of them stated the source .           We are lead to blindly  believe any  study  put  before us .

science is the observation of how nature is working.
do you really think one can hide how its really behave for long while telling only parts of it ?

yes

the  truth is hidden in plain sight .
There is no one   more blind  than  a blind man that thinks he has  "the sight "
People are actively  taught that  OU is  impossible .......along with   all the other  facts that they are taught .
Because  it was taught  along with all the other facts   it is taken  as  true ......

The  best way to hide  a lie is in the middle  of  alot of truth .
Most of what  you  have been taught is true ....... but some of what you  were taught  was manufactured to  prevent  people  from  finding OU .

i don't even thrust my own self...

i prefectly know that one can't learn everything in his life time.
base on that fact, i can see why some parts of the knowledge you are speaking of are set aside.
you will get those knowledge only if you are going to specialise in a specific field.
can't you see that ?

I do specalise in in  several  specific  fields ....... just none that can  be taught in school
Personal  integrity
Self awareness and love ..........by far the  greatest  of these is love .
If you  understand enough about love , the love itself  will show you the way.

using the definition of OU: "tapping an unknown source"
you are mostly right.
but like in everything, there are exceptions tho.

where  did you  get that  definition  of OU?

OU is  over unity

Unity is  breaking even .

Over  Unity  is   going  above  breaking even .

All your " laws "  say that  OU is impossible ........  your laws state that there is no perpetual motion ...........yet  the universe   still exists  in spite of your laws
The electrons  continue  to spin endlessly  and  effortlessly  around the outer shells of ALL the atoms .   
All that exists is in a state  of perpetual motion . ........even life itself   


gary