Joule Thief

[resonanceman]

@resonanceman

You are still trying to know the truth of free electricity as all of us.
That is what will take us to the final success.

The photos are what is left of my flyback. But the transistor still gets super hot.

@jeanna

I am not able to answer the PMs I receive. Something is wrong.

Jesus

Jesus

I  have found  the answer ....... I just have to scale it up   big enough to make a difference .

As  IST would say  it is all in the KICK



So far  it is looking  like   using  coils  that  are   bifilar  or 1 to 1  works best .
One leg  goes for   flyback .....one for  feedback
I am  going to   expermemt with  the  ignition coil  soon .....a big  boost   in voltage like that can open  some  doors .



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If I  understand     your pictures    the  big coil of  mag  wire is     your  coil connected to  your emitter .


You might  try   a  different   kind  of winding  style  I have been working on .

It is  a hybrid , it is  a little  of  all the other  ways to wind a primary .

I have found that   for JTs   a twisted  pair  works good  .......  there is  a little   magic   there  somwhere .       Did  you know that if you  have a twisted  pair  more than a few feet long     you can connect   the end of one  of the pair  to the start of the other ........   and hook it up .....   your  JT LED will light .   Even  if your wire is not wrapped around anything.


I have noticed  that  many of the  higher voltage  JTs that people  have made   have only one or  2 wraps for the  base winding . 

I have  found that  low resistance helps   with the base  coil ...... bigger  wire could  help here .




OK

enough of   the  why  I did  it this way

If you want to  try remaking  your  flyback core JT  with  my winding  style ....... take the   winding  off .
Take  a  piece of wire   and   see how   much  wire it takes to  go around  the square  part  of the core .....    (  the  round part  is  used for secondarys )
Mark   a section of  that wire that  will go around  the  square part  about 1 1/2 times  ........leave   enough  for  leads on each end .      (mine  works  good  with 1 wrap ....1 1/2  might  be safer for your  first one )

Twist   this piece of wire    on  one end  of   your  green wire  ( from your current primary )
When  you  are done  .......   on the end  that   you  use   you  should have  the leads ...... maybe an inch   or inch  or so  of twisted pair .......then the rest of the  green wire .

Now ........just   start on your  twisted pair end  and   wrap it   just like you  did  before .......only on the  square part of the  core . 
After  your   first  wrap  or wrap and  a half  ......   you  will have to move the  end  of your  base coil  out of the way ........then  just  keep wrapping .

Sense  the base   coil is short  and   fixed  a  coil  would like this is easy to tune .


Oh  yes .........  use  your  big  coil  of  mag wire as a secondary .


My flyback  transformer  core JT  has  one  wind of twisted pair  and  3 more windings  with  the single  wire .


I  taped   the square  part  of the core before I wrapped it ...... just to make  sure  that it did not  cut  my wire


gary

[jeanna]

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The photos are what is left of my flyback. ...

@jeanna

I am not able to answer the PMs I receive. Something is wrong.

Jesus

Jesus,


Here is the gist of what I wrote in the pm.

"But I think what produced your sparks in your joule thief is the same thing that makes a spark in an ignition coil.

It is because in an ignition coil the primary and secondary are joined at the pos end. (or maybe the neg sometimes, I do not know, but the wires are joined)

If it is a great producer of sparks then your joule thief will also be that whenever it is connected to the pos (or neg) of the battery!!"

I wrote that last night then this morning I found a description of HOW it is a great producer of sparks. So, I think this is the problem you had which sparked over and killed your power device. (my opinion)

I made some videos last year of a NS generator making a small motor turn on using a 3v battery. (btw, the movie shows that the battery charges the cap and runs the motor for 5 seconds then when the battery is removed, the cap continues to run the motor for over 15 seconds, almost 20 seconds.)

The reason for this post is to mention that while I was doing those and other similar tests using the NS generator with a 3v battery, I saw sparks coming off the ends of the wires. They were little sparks, but I was essentially hand pulsing the wires for those tests.

My reason for believing that a NS generator or an ignition coil or other inductor coil when pulsed by a joue thief is capable of giving us enormous power from one AA battery is partly from this observation.

All these things are coming together now.

The damage to your motor device is actually good news.
I am sorry to say that, but this means that the power we want is there and in great enough amounts to be useful.

So Jesus,
thank you for having this calamity!!

thank you otherwise too,

jeanna

[electricme]

@Xee2,

Thankyou for your reply and I accept this.

@ electricme

Sorry if I seemed to be trying to tell you what to do. That was not my intent. I was only trying to save you some work and a coil. But I am glad you did it. The photos you posted are very interesting.

EDIT: What was the core like? Was it just a solid rod of steel or was it laminated somehow?

EDIT 2: It looks like the primary is just a single layer coil. Is that true or am I just not seeing very well?

The core is made up of several lamination's of special steel, these are designed to soak up more magnetic flux so when the circuit breaks, this heaver flux collapses with more strength.
The steel core has a total of 39 separate pieces of thin flat transformer steel.
Dimensions are --- Length       3.738.5 inches
                            Width        .398    inches
                            Thickness   .012    inches
Wire size is       Primary coil      .016   inches (I don't know what this is in SWG)

This coil has 6 layers, each layer has 36 turns = 216 turns in total.
Each layer has a single thin sheet of insulation between every layer, and this is just the 12v Primary coil. (might be for oil circulation)

Coil width is made up of 36 turns which gives a single layer width of 1 inch
Total coil "former" width is 2 inches.

I pressed my "new" vernier gauge into service this morning for the first time, what a wonderful feeling to be able to tell you all the wire sizes I am mucking around with.

Before I could measure the length of wire used on 1 layer, I got it tangled up in my shoes, so , ha ha I lengthened it a bit, but I estimate it was about 10 feet of wire, so its full length would be close to 60 feet of wire.


              Secondary HV Coil      .012 inches   (haven't done anymore with it yet)

I have to get my second EB/EC made up, this episode has interrupted it, but never mind, worse things have happened.

jim

@ Jeanna,

Sorry to hear about those very high temperatures of 38.7 degrees, when you said it was hot I didn't know just how hot it was, that could make anyone a bit off on a normal day.
Hope those temps get lower soon.


Make up a passieve cooling frame, drape a big beach towel or something that will allow wind to pass through it (Big Chux Wipes) over it, then poor water over the towel.
Put a fan behind the towel about 3 feet away from it. (powerful fan).

You go and sit on the other side, and you will be surprised how quick you will feel the benefit from this.

If you set it up in a door way, then you will be able to cool the room down also.
If you hang some hessian from the top of the door frame so it covers the whole door it will work better.

Make sure you open the windows to allow the flow of air to proceed.

Another thing, if you have a concrete slab out side, throw a bucket of water over it, the evaporation will cause the air to cool down around it.
If the wind is blowing in your direction that is.

jim

[innovation_station]

im glad everyone is haveing great secucess



i just drew up my tpu unit ...

wow lol

i will power the 3 control coils and 3 collector coils but the fly back can only flow through the collector so i get the hot i put in and the fly back cold through the same 3 wires and they combine as 1 ou  put 

lol

tic abc tic abc tic abc ........abc are caps filled from jt's lol      great work jesus and gary you guys are makeing this what it truely is .. we all are .. 

ist

i will use heavy amp bridges ..  to isolate the fly back from blowing up the source of the pulse ... and since i power control coil and collector from the same spot it has no choise but to go where i let it go ...  that is right through the coil .... the collector .. then you could rectify it all 3 if you wanted same as my 3 stack tpu ...  only 1 loop .. tho

hears a pic of my 3 phase mac style tpu ... alum core ... bout 12"

here is a pic of my otto style 3 phase copper core tpu .. 1000v 90 amp wire teck 90 22 ga layered push coils all wound same turns dirrection and mass

[electricme]

@Jeanna,

Thankyou for posting this, it is one of the best discriptions I have seen of the "invisible" working of the ign coil.

Hi everybody,
I found what I was after.
As my head hit the pillow last night I wondered if the question I thought was so simple might not have been so.
I appreciate ALL the help you all gave me and, of course,  none of it is ever lost (not on me, anyway).
What I realized is that nobody has asked the question I thought was so simple so of course, nobody had an answer to it. duh! I apologize for any hurt I may have caused, by my dogged persistence!

I found a website today that acknowledges the element I was asking about.
If anyone lurking or otherwise wants to read the page or the website, I provide the page here:
http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/cannon/sparky.html

The emphasis is mine here,
Here is the important part:

I am also posting this here because of that formula, and because this whole thing is very important with respect to the Tariel invention and the earth battery/inductor experiments.

So, thank you for your indulgence and again for your patience,

jeanna

Did you notice the reference to "another" pulse of energy here, I refer to the 100volt flyback through the 12v primary, I recon a well placed diode here would recharge the battery with "radiant" energy, except the pulse would fri electronics, mabe a toroid wired as a choke on all cables from the battery would snuff it out, a bit of hmmm deep thinking required now.
How did I miss this all these years, one could setup a second battery in the car with a change over switch, wow.

Excellent post Jeanna.

Now I go to get back to my EB building, I'm determined to see a series cell EB/EC setup here

jim