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Joule Thief

Started by Pirate88179, November 20, 2008, 03:07:58 AM

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jeanna

Quote from: Pirate88179 on August 13, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
Xee2 would know better but I think that the Farads are made up of both volts and amps.  I believe this to be true or I could not have run my Bedini motor from my electrodes/supercap set-up.  The Bedini will not, to my understanding, run on volts alone.

Bill
(Since xee2 did not answer you yet...)
I think you collect joules in a cap. and the farad is a calculation of the joules/sec which is also how amps are calculated... joules/sec.

The volts are pressure, not things, I think. The volts have to be there to push the joules in or out of the cap. So, if there is a voltage difference in your system they will be there to push the joules into the cap, otherwise they - the joules which are units of charge?? - stay where they are. It is all very hocus pocus, but it seems to work.

So, the cap stored a lot of joules over time and when needed they could be dumped all at once, which makes it seem like a lot of amps. Then they fill into the cap again then dump again. If it is frequent enough it seems like a steady stream of joules to the motor.

I may be wrong, of course, but this is how I understand it today.

jeanna

stprue

Quote from: xee2 on August 13, 2009, 05:45:11 PM
I am not sure I understand question. Capacitors stores charge. The spikes can push extra charges into the capacitor because they are at higher voltage and thus can push harder.

That ansewers my question!  So we are right Pirate!

stprue

Quote from: jeanna on August 13, 2009, 11:44:17 PM
(Since xee2 did not answer you yet...)
I think you collect joules in a cap. and the farad is a calculation of the joules/sec which is also how amps are calculated... joules/sec.

The volts are pressure, not things, I think. The volts have to be there to push the joules in or out of the cap. So, if there is a voltage difference in your system they will be there to push the joules into the cap, otherwise they - the joules which are units of charge?? - stay where they are. It is all very hocus pocus, but it seems to work.

So, the cap stored a lot of joules over time and when needed they could be dumped all at once, which makes it seem like a lot of amps. Then they fill into the cap again then dump again. If it is frequent enough it seems like a steady stream of joules to the motor.

I may be wrong, of course, but this is how I understand it today.

jeanna

Thank you Jeanna, this seems to be a very clear way to think about it.

innovation_station

just cuz im me

and i would like to clear up any confusion i have made in the past ...

if we look at the pulse motor im building ...  im doing the same thing with it as you are doing with electricty and caps ... altho i choose to keep the free cake in a  rotary mechanical state to use the stored engery from  the fly wheel to generate big AMPS...

same is done in the toroides when you do not tap the jt flyback ... if you do not tap it it will remain in the toroide .. and exit through the secondary windings ..   

same deal with teslas car altho he used the kick in a rotary mechanical / megnetic fasion to drive the motor of the car .. 

just how i see it ...   

ist

i see no reason this is incorrect!!
To understand the action of the local condenser E in fig.2 let a single discharge be first considered. the discharge has 2 paths offered~~ one to the condenser E the other through the part L of the working circuit C. The part L  however  by virtue of its self induction  offers a strong opposition to such a sudden discharge  wile the condenser on the other hand offers no such opposition ......TESLA..

THE !STORE IS UP AND RUNNING ...  WE ARE TAKEING ORDERS ..  NOW ..   ISTEAM.CA   AND WE CAN AND WILL BUILD CUSTOM COILS ...  OF   LARGER  OUTPUT ...

CAN YOU SAY GOOD BYE TO YESTERDAY?!?!?!?!

Yucca

hi xee2

here's the flyback schematic with pin labels for the samsung flyback.