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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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gravityblock

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 18, 2009, 02:08:01 PM
Hi GB.

all the planetary bodies orbiting the Sun are using up their 'stored' energy, when that energy approaches Zero their orbits will fall closer into the sun and eventually they will burn up when they get to close and at some point will be destroyed. its energy will now be absorbed by the Sun.


Jerry

You're missing the point.  Place a stationary object near the sun that has no kinetic energy.  This object will now move towards the sun and plunge into it.

In order for the object to gravitate and plunge into the sun, there has to be work done on that object in order for it to move.  The force of gravity is doing the work, cause there is not an equal force on the opposite side to counter act it.  This is an unidirectional force that exists in nature and is proof that a force can do work without an external energy source being used.

You could say that the sun is the external energy source and is being consumed by burning it's gas.  Replace the sun with an equal mass that is cold and not consuming itself.  The effect will still be the same.

Now place a smaller object between two large masses that are equal in mass and all 3 will have no kinetic energy.  Put a bar between the two large masses so they can't gravitate towards each other with the smaller object between them (not a realistic example but you should know where this is leading).

The smaller object will not gravitate or move towards either mass since the forces that are acting on it are equal on both sides.  Now remove one of the large masses with the bar and the objects will gravitate towards each other, since their is no counterforce on the other side.  Again, an unidirectional force is doing the work without energy being apllied.  Also note, with all 3 masses in the equation with the bar, the forces are present, but they cancel each other out and is not capable of doing work.  With only two masses present the total forces present is less than the total forces of all 3 masses, but it is capable of doing work since there is no counterforce.

It is clear as day, that a force can do work if there is not an equal counterforce present, which breaks no current acceptable theories or laws of physics if the laws are defined properly.

If a magnet would pulse instead of being continuous, then we would have Over Unity easy.  Since it is continuous, we have to use energy or another force to move the magnet to have a change of flux in time. 

We have an abundance of energy and forces present that nature has provided for us, more than enough or what is required.  But this abundance is causing a problem with Over Unity.  Get rid of some of the forces present in a system where it has no counterforce such as gravity, and Over Unity is possible.

Gravity is an Over Unity Force.  Maybe you should reconsider what a force is and what energy is, since it is not defined or defined correctly in physics, instead of telling me not to confuse the two.  I propose that Energy is an effect that is caused by a force doing work.  This could be worded in many different ways, but the basic principle will remain the same.

In a waterwheel, the water is the force and the effect is the wheel spinning, which is a mechanical energy.  The mechanical energy is the effect caused by the force of water acting on the wheel.  The mechanical energy is not doing any work to cause the wheel to spin.  It is the force that is doing the work in spinning the wheel.

I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right.  I'm just not convinced otherwise.   ;D
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

onthecuttingedge2005

Hi GB.

you can't fool Mother Nature. Gravity is a one way ticket to Hell.

Jerry


gravityblock

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 19, 2009, 12:57:40 AM
Hi GB.

you can't fool Mother Nature. Gravity is a one way ticket to Hell.

Jerry

You can't fool Mother Nature, but it is Mother Nature that is doing the fooling.  Gravity is a one way ticket to hell, and anti-gravity is a ticket to Paradise.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

onthecuttingedge2005

Quote from: gravityblock on June 19, 2009, 01:02:02 AM
You can't fool Mother Nature, but it is Mother Nature that is doing the fooling.  Gravity is a one way ticket to hell, and anti-gravity is a ticket to Paradise.

Gravity is a monopole Gravitational Tensor Field, it has no Anti-Gravity nor does it have an Anti-Particle Graviton by theory. Gravity is its own Anti just like Photons.

In physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity in the framework of quantum field theory. If it exists, the graviton must be massless (because the gravitational force has unlimited range) and must have a spin of 2 (because gravity is a second-rank tensor field.

would you really know when someone is telling you the truth? I know I am.

I make it a habit of studying your God and His works, Mainstream Science and Physics don't lie but they do make corrected mistakes sometimes but most are wickedly smart by any means.

I actually met somebody who thought the world was only 6000 years old, that was it for me. you couldn't talk to him about anything, he thought I was trying to steer him away from his God. how politely ignorant I might say, he thought Dinosaurs was a plot to steal his soul.

I call this a mental illness unchecked in a church.

If the Church was really smart they would look at Science and Physics and tell their children this is how everything works because this is the rule and the law of their God, but it doesn't happen that way does it.

observed facts will one day kill off all that have no solid evidence, do you want this to happen to Religion?

besides, the Electromagnetic force is much stronger than the Gravitational force unit for unit, so why do you choose Gravitational?

Jerry

gravityblock

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 19, 2009, 01:31:33 AM
Gravity is a monopole Gravitational Tensor Field, it has no Anti-Gravity nor does it have an Anti-Particle Graviton by theory. Gravity is its own Anti just like Photons.

In physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity in the framework of quantum field theory. If it exists, the graviton must be massless (because the gravitational force has unlimited range) and must have a spin of 2 (because gravity is a second-rank tensor field.

I think that the observations of lensing indicate that a quantum theory of gravity, based on gravitons interacting with every particle including individual photons, cannot be correct. For graviton interaction to be correct, a photon would have to follow a polygonal path as it passes a massive body, each segment of the polygon being, perhaps, of planck length.

I think gravity has more to do with gravity waves causing the atoms between two bodies to have the same spin, which attracts each other.  Find a way to cause the atoms between two bodies to have a different spin, then they would repel each other and have anti-gravity.  Another way would be just to block the waves from causing the atoms to have the same spin.  I'm not stating this as fact, but it is my focus of study at the moment.

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 19, 2009, 01:31:33 AM
would you really know when someone is telling you the truth? I know I am.

I make it a habit of studying your God and His works, Mainstream Science and Physics don't lie but they do make corrected mistakes sometimes but most are wickedly smart by any means.

I actually met somebody who thought the world was only 6000 years old, that was it for me. you couldn't talk to him about anything, he thought I was trying to steer him away from his God. how politely ignorant I might say, he thought Dinosaurs was a plot to steal his soul.

I call this a mental illness unchecked in a church.

If the Church was really smart they would look at Science and Physics and tell their children this is how everything works because this is the rule and the law of their God, but it doesn't happen that way does it.

observed facts will one day kill off all that have no solid evidence, do you want this to happen to Religion?

besides, the Electromagnetic force is much stronger than the Gravitational force unit for unit, so why do you choose Gravitational?

Jerry

I'm not choosing one over the other in regards to the electromagnetic and gravitational force.  The gravitational force appears to be operating in attraction mode only, a unidirectional force.  Reverse the effect and it would be in repulsion only or anti-gravity.  I feel that gravity is an Over Unity force which suggest anti-gravity would be an Over Unity force also with extra benefits.

The electromagnetic force operates in attraction and repulsion modes.  The best option for the electromagnetic force I believe is a modified homopolar motor/generator, since it is proven mathematically to be Mechanical Over Unity.

The churches now a days are in a complete mess.  I will give you that.  6,000 years is taught, but I have my doubts about this, cause elsewhere it says a day is like a thousand years.  6,000 years could be 2,190,000,000 years (365 x 1000 x 6000), which is more in line with science and physics.  That number may reflect the age of mankind and not the age of the earth.

Also Ezekiel makes clear references to UFO's and aliens with descriptions of both.  The Book of Enoch goes even further than Ezekiel with it's details and descriptions.

The problem with the churches, is the people are misinterpreting the scriptures to fit their own ideas, while the text is accurate.  Also the churches have rejected certain manuscripts that are key to understanding the mystery, such as the Books of Enoch.  There is a lot of symbolic language used in the ancient manuscripts, which is read out of context.

I could write an entire book on this.  In the last year, most of my religious beliefs have been turned upside down.  When I read the ancient texts now, I get a totally different view on things than the mainstream church.  In fact, I have went from having faith in God, to believing in God, with a 0% doubt that he is a living infinite God who is my creator.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.