Directorly Downwind Faster than the Wind

[ramset]

Imagine If the wind could be our "over unity"?

Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants!!

And one heck of a happy day!!

This is getting more interesting all the time, Clo's ideas should at least be "plausible"?

Chet

[Cloxxki]

It's all about beating the wind down, right? If the wind still has umpf to make the downwind place windmill turn, the first one didn't quite use all that was there for it to take.

I think my idea could work to make the thing spin fast, yeah. But the turning blade design is so smart, seems to take so much power from the wind for a given frontal surface area, it should do well as part of future building design, to make them as lean as possible on grid power.

[TechStuf]

I believe that smoke generators near the axle or blade tips would reveal that, on the run up to speed, a type of stable VRS is developed which is required for best efficiency.  As long as the prop is in VRS, the craft benefits from the maintenance of positive/negative pressure areas and the efficient exchange of air mass via a non-obvious kind of 'slingshot' effect.  A simple demonstration of the potential efficiencies of air mass exchange in rotating systems, is the vortex cannon.  A toy, called the 'Airzooka' will propagate a vortex ring quite a distance through the air, even as it exchanges it's original air mass many times over.  If shot through smoke filled air, this effect is impressive and readily apparent.

I am currently working on a new kind of prop/generator combo which is very promising, as it makes use of vortex generators in a novel way by which to increase efficiency several fold.  These props carry the potential to generate the same amount of torque as conventional props up to 3 times their diameter.  I am working on modifying an 89 Toyota ext. cab pickup as a test bed vehicle to showcase their potential at generating copious amounts of energy with relatively minuscule measurable drag losses from being mounted at the front of the vehicle.  A small portion of the energy produced will be used at enhancing the vehicle aerodynamics.

Exotic EM flux manipulations neither required nor planned. 

I had planned on showcasing this platform over at Eco-Modder, but as it happens, they have little tolerance for even a modicum of free speech which might upset their small pond status quo.  Especially as pertains to the Truth regarding the lateness of the hour.

As regards the DWFTTW and Stuttgart's direct upwind accomplishments, they could improve considerably as a greater understanding of even more efficient dynamics unfold.

That is, if time permits.


Regards,


TS

[helicoil]

 when i first heard of this i overlooked it.
assumed it was impossible.
searched the web a few weeks back and came across other sites, showing into the wind powered vehicles, with race events held in Europe, never knew they existed

When this vehicle drives forward, Does the airspeed increase behind the blades,  aiding in driving the vehicle forward,
or does the vehicle increase speed due to the blades angle and rpm, cutting or screwing itself into the air quicker than the wind speed, without increasing the air speed behind the blades.
   
  would like to see a pair or more of these slipstream formula 1 style.


  modify a large air conditioner duct, have mini versions loop around in circles on a special track, generating power, collected through the tracks, "turbo style".
(hadron collider tunnel would come handy)

could use a similar wind turbine as the v-lim.
web page also contains an interesting article titled, rare-earth-shortages-may-put-china-in-the-drivers-seat-on-green-energy,
  http://mgx.com/blogs/tag/v-lim-wind-turbine/

http://rogueriverwind.com/VLIM_Hybrid/VLIM_Hybrid.html

if there is in increase of wind speed behind the rotor blades, would a second set of blades behind this increase the speed further, e.g. 2 vehicles joined together, the rear vehicle aiding the first.

Many ideas come to mind of looping these to run on their own generated wind, or underwater in a circular swimming pool, it can propel itself on its own created whirlpool.
  (need to make some models, to many ideas, not enough time).
 

[ramset]

You fellows have some cool ideas!!

Techstuff perhaps we could take a closer look at yours?

While we wait!

Chet