"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

[captainpecan]

@ All:

I really appreciate the way in which all of you are discussing this potentially highly charged subject in a decent, intelligent and respectful manner.  This is how we will succeed.

Bill

Well said sir!

Looking up the definition of "free energy" online, you will also find many definitions. Most still however lean towards the same meaning I think, just worded differently.

"Energy that is actually available to do useful work." taken from
http://schools.look4.net.nz/science/chemistry/index/glossaryF

Or

"The amount of energy available for reactions to occur." taken from
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Free_energy

By definition, free energy is everywhere!

[captainpecan]

What we all search is more electrical energy out than put in.  Free energy is the answer, it's simple, just not easy.  All that is needed to do is use a small amount of electrical energy to cause an unbalanced system, forcing other forms of energy into the system doing what they need to in order to restore that balance. Now convert those forms of energy that entered the system, into electrical, as well as conserving the original electrical energy we used to start the process.  You end up with more electrical energy out than you put in... Still exactly unity though when you measure all forms of energy... But now you are making use of "available" free energy, without violating any laws of physics!

[dean_mcgowan]

free energy is a by-product of over-unity which may be the function of a device either mechanical or electrical in nature.

I also dispute that an earth battery creates either on the grounds that work is done to create the device, similar but not the same as creating a magnet.

Nuffsaid

[Pirate88179]

free energy is a by-product of over-unity which may be the function of a device either mechanical or electrical in nature.

I also dispute that an earth battery creates either on the grounds that work is done to create the device, similar but not the same as creating a magnet.

Nuffsaid

@ Dean:

I am not sure exactly what you mean by the above.  By definition, work is done to create any device but I am not sure this is what you meant?  In the case of a magnet, there is no work done to create it (by man) if it is the kind occurring naturally. (Loadstone)  In the case of a man-made magnet, yes, there is work done so in this particular case it can be seen as more of a battery which stores the electrical energy put into it that caused the magnetization.

As far as the earth battery goes, I do not see what work is really done to make a simple one?  I mean you just stick the two electrodes into the ground in the proper alignment and....there it is.  If you are speaking of the energy required to produce the electrodes, well sure, I am sure it took some.  But, if this is the standard by which we judge some device then no one will ever have free energy or overunity.  I mean it takes power to manufacture transistors and capacitors and resistors and I am not sure if we should be adding that into the equation.  How would we ever know how much it took to make something?  How would we ever be able to assign a value to it?

Quite possibly I misunderstood your meaning.

Bill

[infringer]

When I have it you'll know it when you have it I can only hope to know it...

See how that works that is OU and free energy.

-infringer-