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"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

Started by Pirate88179, December 13, 2008, 11:34:13 PM

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Digjam

Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 15, 2008, 11:04:34 PM
@ Digjam:

Well, Nathan Stubblefield heated his home, illuminated his home and farm and ran the entire telephone system of Murry, Ky off of his earth batteries....and this was in the late 1890's.  I am not sure how many it took...but...who cares?  It was all free.  The power grid did not make it to his area until many, many years later.  That is why I am so fascinated by this device.

I respectfully disagree with your assessment that all energy is free.  This is ok as we all have our opinions and these are uncharted waters.  Try telling your opinion to your power company and see what happens.... ha ha.  I think I get what you mean though.  Heck, right now, the air we breathe is free but I would not be shocked if sometime in the near future, we have to pay an air company bill for all of the breaths we take.

Bill

Well, water is free, but I get a bill every month for it too  ;D
Anyway , what I was saying is that the energy itself is free, what we pay for is the conversion
and delivery . That's why the question , does the grid deliver energy or Power? ;)



I'll give another example of what I mean that energy is free, but has a cost.

I'm in the southern US . We have 2 power companies in my state, and they have 3 types of Power
Plants.
1: Hydroelectric 2: Coal-Fired 3: Nuclear

all those 3 of those have one thing in common: Water
now the coal fired and the nuclear also use a fuel .. The Water, the Coal , and the Radioactive Materials
are ALL Natural resources which are in essence FREE.. the cost is in the extraction of the fuels,and the infrastructure to CONVERT the energy to electricity and DISTRIBUTE the electricity.


So maybe what we are seeking is a "FREE ENERGY COLLECTION AND DISTRIBUTION" unit ;)

Pirate88179

@ Digjam:

Good question.  In electrical terms, power is amps.  I always thought of energy as both volts and amps but it could also mean a lot of other things.  So, my vote would be both in answer to your question.

Yes, I agree with what you said about the water bill.  We are essentially paying for the infrastructure and delivery systems.  I guess the same could be said of oil really. (as well as a lot of other things)

Trust me, if I thought I had the answers here, I would have never started this topic. My main goal was to get folks thinking about what we are actually trying to do here.  Also, to attempt to establish some defined objective that is acceptable to most so, if/when one of us "does it" we can all agree on what was done.  Hopefully, I have opened some eyes.

Research, I have found, is a lot like my Investigations business.  You raise a lot more questions than answers.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

hansvonlieven

Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 15, 2008, 11:04:34 PM
  I think I get what you mean though.  Heck, right now, the air we breathe is free but I would not be shocked if sometime in the near future, we have to pay an air company bill for all of the breaths we take.

Bill

G'day Bill and all,

Perhaps not, but you will almost certainly have to purchase carbon credits for the carbon dioxide you breathe out and the methane you fart.

George Orwell, here we come.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

captainpecan

Quote from: Digjam on December 15, 2008, 11:15:21 PM
So maybe what we are seeking is a "FREE ENERGY COLLECTION AND DISTRIBUTION" unit ;)

I couldn't agree more. As I said earlier, terminology may differ, but we are after the same thing. My ultimate goal, is to create a generator about the size of a hot water heater, that will power your house and any electrical needs you may have, without being on the grid at all.  Then storms, hurricanes, whatever may happen outside, you have power and heat inside.  Not to mention power can be placed anywhere with this method, like third world countries that have never even had electricity.  Figuring out how to fuel that generator, is what we seek. Is it possible, sure it is, we just haven't figured out how to do it yet. 

Nitrogen is readily available, the air we breath is 80%... I personally feel the answer is in reusing the same electrical current many times over again, but that's an argument for a different thread... lol

Pirate88179

@ Hans:

Welcome!  By the way, I do not fart.  Well, ok maybe after eating certain foods.....well, ok, maybe after eating most foods.  The beer helps with this condition.  Well, ok, maybe not really. 

Yes, we are trying to save the planet from the breath we exhale.  This is pseudo-science at its best.  One volcano eruption releases (act of God and/or nature) thousands of times more "greenhouse gases" than mankind has released since our existence.  That's one eruption.  There are many on this planet every year.

I think we are exporting Al gore to Australia which will end our problems but...yours are just beginning.  I think the Aborigines probably fart and breathe as well.  God help them.

I would be interested in knowing what you think of the questions postulated by my topic.  I did quote you in one of my first posts here. (the crude oil and the match)  I know we discussed this a little back on the earth battery topic last year.  I am just looking to seek some common ground on what it is we are looking for, so we know when we find it.

Good to hear from you Hans.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen