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WM2D Programme bug or new phenomenon?

Started by hansvonlieven, January 14, 2009, 06:18:54 PM

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truth

 :)

I have a question about all of this computer modeling. Maybe it can help with visualizing a concept, but I am questioning the ability of a mathematical model to display a new or previously unknown property in a simulation.

A model must be programmed with KNOWN parameters. If a device has introduced a property that the programmer did not anticipate how can the model display the result of that property?

I am just a know nothing newbie, but I have to ask about the value of playing computer games instead of utilizing actual physical experiments.Could this time consuming activity actually be an impediment to new discoveries?

Are ALL of the properties of gravity known? If not, then how efficient can a model be in seeking unknown properties?

Not wanting to discourage anyone, but it would be unethical not to share this concern with others that are using modeling.

:-\

Too many questions, and not enough answers!

hansvonlieven

Quote from: truth on January 17, 2009, 10:23:59 AM
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I have a question about all of this computer modeling. Maybe it can help with visualizing a concept, but I am questioning the ability of a mathematical model to display a new or previously unknown property in a simulation.


You are absolutely right, of course. Nevertheless, it is interesting that within the same constraints two different results occur. I am just curious what is causing this. There are a number of bugs in WM2D and this is most likely one of them. However, only an experiment will tell for sure and it might just be worth doing.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

hansvonlieven

@ mindsweeper,

You are thinking of the Milkovic device. This is actually something that cropped up when I investigated this particular thing. I simulated a number of variations along the idea of secondary oscillations. Have a look at the simulations below.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

mindsweeper

Hello Hans,

When I saw the Milkovic machine I thought it would not be long before someone managed to find the answer. I made simulations at the time and posited here with questions in relation but had very little interest. What I found daunting was the mathematics involved with the moving masses and wanted help.

As time passed I made many more simulations, I was so so sure there was something still hidden within the Milkovic device, after all he could hardly explain what he'd found. I made what little study I could and found myself drawn back to the CF side of things, then onto the law of falling bodies and how that could be applied. I'm now of the thinking that there is untapped potential in the unbalanced pendulum.

Hans, you are familiar with Bessler I'm sure, would it be possible to send you a simulation for evaluation? I'd rather not post for all to see.

sweep.

EDIT: Cant even get a name correct..

hansvonlieven

When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx