Aiming @ the VIC coil

[dankie]

After about 8 months of digging , I can finally confirm the following .

The VIC was made in a EI steel laminated core , was about the size of the VIC 6-1 on a piece of papers , was made with S/S wire . It has taken a long time for me to be to able to give you this info so "rafined" .

I dont believe nobody has recreated this VIC properly , ever . There was an attempt by 2curious4wfc but it seems he was wrong with the core  , wich is very suspicious . The simple fact that aftr so many years not 1 serious attempt has been attempted by anyone , I'm truely dissapointed @ the human race in general ...

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=870

Obviously there is a link between us failing all the time and the fact we are not replicating the VIC  Stan says on video is the real physical design , does he describe the physical design in the other videos ? No , only in this one . Does he talk much of other physical designs in the tech brief ? No , only this one , and alot of info dedicated to it , ALOT .

So we have a pattern of idiots here ... Nobody is following the real hard evidence , everybody is failing , absolutely no progress is done ...

In fact when I present this information some people frikkin attack me for selling wire WTF !!!!!!!!! Its more than thats obviously ... You can see now why no progress is done when we have these ravens out there ...

its either that the clues from the tech brief , and Dynodon`s word are not good , or that 2curious is right and it is indeed an I core .I would say odds are thats its an EI core and Dynodon`s word is good , besides it appears from the brief that it is an EI core .

Stan never mentions any core type but does mention a tiny clue as seen in my pic .

I also believe coil 10-4 is made on an EI closed loop core since its core is referenced to figure 10-3A/B

So we have Stan on video saying this is it , Dynodon is saying he saw it , and its in black and white in the brief , id say this is indeed correct information based on truth . So we have approximative dimensions , we have approx resistance , we have an idea of the setp-up ratio , we have some wire gauge , we have core type , we have alot of clues now ...

We need to seriously get at this and troubleshoot this stuff in a massive new way , forget the manoeuvres , just ram that shizt , theres 18000 members here , Im sure we can get 40 good well equipped individuals .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1157

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6hJEmw3mes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSlF7khibs0

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[Crush]

Great post Dankie , you really layed it out this time , as usual .  Nice collection of proof DAM dankie  dont get yourself killed lol    Is there even an opinion in this thread ?

Hey I joined this site to say this , yall should listen more to Dankie , the kid has some kind of intuitive judgement . I'm glad I met dankie and I'm glad I bought some wire from him , this stuff is really great to work with and its really a bargain price for such quality  . At first I tought Dankie was annoying but and after a while it becomes clear that he just following clues like everyone else but Dankie is just better at it . Ive never seen Dankie talk about other stuff than this VIC injector  , ever ,  the kid cant shut up 

But seriously , this is what I like about the kid  , see this thread here ? This is gooooood stuff , no BS , no opinions , he lays out the evidences for your asses , argue if you want ,  Dankie has the proof   

Dankie is trying to set up an enviroment where everybody can help out eachother in a MIB safe enviroment where we are legion , for that we should all respect him . So what if he is making a bit of money while doing something positive , the kid is already 10 times cheaper than anybody , I sware to you , at least 10 times cheaper . So what if he is a little punk with an attitude problem , once you get to know him he's a really nice and generous guy . If anyone of you MIB agents out there try to discredit him , good luck to ya , Dankie will most likely destroy you and I will help him out .

[Grumpy]

Dankie has nothing to worry about from MIB.  They are busy with the TPU.

Big Oil might have interest if he does indeed achieve the results.  However, he has never mentioned the underlying mechanism of Meyer's work.  Thus he probably does not know, so he has little to worry about.

Buzz on the other hand, is probably on a list.

[Room3327]

Dankie,

   If you want to build this coil you should understand why it is built as it is, and how it operates.  I have spent some years designing coils, transformers, and flybacks, I worked for a company that manufactured HV transformers so this one is not so unusual to me.
    First we should understand what Stanley Meyers was doing different then everone else with separating water.  The difference is that Stanley went to using high voltage to separate water into gas, everyone else was doing it the old fashioned way of electrolysis, low voltage-high current.  If you look at the two graphs he shows in his patent, you can see that production slowly increases with current the low voltage way.  His graph of his way, using High Voltage, shows that gas production is exponential with increasing voltage.  The HV stretches the water molecule until it snaps the bonds between the H and O.  What he was doing was pulsing the cell several times to line the molecules up between the cell plates and then stopping to allow the flyback condition to occur and zap it with very HV to snap the bonds.
    O.K. Now the transformer is built the way that it is for several reasons. The first is that this is a Voltage dependant process and he wanted to minimize current flow in the WFC, utilizing stainless steel winding wire provides more resistance per linear foot which increases the total winding resistance thereby giving him less current flow.  SS wire though is non magnetic and therefore works just like copper wire but with more resistance. The second reason is that he wanted to maximize the total inductance and capacitance in the VIC, more capacitance and inductance equals lower inherent resonant frequency also by keeping the interwinding capacitance as high as he could and the WFC capacitance as low as possible( hence the tube within tube design that minimizes capacitance compared to parallel plates) the fuelcell capacitance will not make to much difference with self resonance of the device.  The bifilar windings are there to increase total inductance, when the end of one of the bifilar wind is connected back to the second wire start it quadruples the inductance and greatly increases capacitance (as Tesla shows in his patent 512340) The output is split into 2 bifilar coils because a single bifilar wound coil would not be able to handle the voltage between the wires. Which brings us to the third reason. This is a High Voltage transformer and I mean 40,000 volts high, it is dangerous, in order to contain the HV the transformer is wound in small segments starting from one end, you do not wind back and forth across the bobbin like normal.  the wire going down to the bottom of each segment needs to be isolated with a small piece of mylar tape and the entire outside should be coated with epoxy the output leads should really be made of spark plug wire that feed the WFC. Remember it is High Voltage, winding HV transformers is tricky if you have never made one before it will be tough.  The two bobbins are again to separate the two flyback windings because of the voltage, These two windings need to be on the core in the proper polarity for it to work right, when it is working right the output of  each flyback winding will go in opposite directions across the WFC (+ and -).  The diode shown in Stanley's patent can go between the two leads at one end of the transformer and the two leads at the other end can have the spark plug wires attached for the WFC.
  Now because this coil set has both inductance and capacitance it will have an inherent resonant frequency that if you run this at, it will minimize the power required to drive it, thereby again minimizing power usage.  If the capacitance of the WFC is low it will have little effect on the resonant frequency.  At least this is how I see it, I may not be totally correct but I think it is about as complete a theory as I've seen around here.

I hope this helps
Room3327

[Room3327]

I should also add that Stanley Meyer shows the device being run on 60 HZ.  A steel transformer core is fine for this and if resonant frequency is within 500 Hz or so, good for that too, but I would suspect resonance would be higher such as 40 or 50 KHz.  For  a higher resonant frequency you would want to use a ferrite core such as a color TV flyback transformer dual U core.  This kind of transformer can probably be wound easier as a double U core then an EI. Two Identical bobbins one on each leg of the core. The primary winding can be on the outside of one or split between the two.  But this thing may not resonate properly because of the diode, but the diode, I'm sure, has to be in the circuit for it to work with the WFC.