Peter Lindemann, The Mechanical Engine: A Re-Evolution of Bessler's Wheel

[BAHammer]

here we go again, 

  Nope, just having some fun. Of course, since nobody did spot the obvious, I can expect some people to be upset over missing it. Especially since concerns over legalities were mentioned.
  What is a neat trick that you missed is this ; I can now patent this design. This is because I improved it.
Specifically, by having a latch hold the weight until it's swing will help to create an over balance that will be maintained until the weight can swing free when it passes bottom center.
It's a simpler design and one that can work. 
So yes, my last post was tongue in cheek up to a point. I would think that someone with Ralph's means would have tested a variation or 2. Had he done this, he might have realized what I did.
What is the "here we go again" is that there is a hierarchy in here that needs to be maintained. Simply put, the status quo has to be supported for no specific reason other than to have people who are considered experts at something they do not understand.
But they are credible 

[rlortie]

BAHammer,

As per your explanation I ask that you look at the design and consider the weight position, without focusing on the cam and ratchets.  You will find the same prime example of a non-runner as depicted in Bessler's drawings MT #1 through 5, 9, 10, and 11. It's commonly called 'Changing height for width.

If you believe you can patent this as a runner, I look forward to obtaining your patent drawings.

Ralph
 

[wattsup]

@rlortie

I had to ask the question and thank you for clearing up the your position. It is kind of crazy to think that someone could actually make a living at building perpetual motion systems, since we have never seen one that worked.

Do you have an estimated cost to build the design in question just out of curiosity.

The perpetual motion wheel will not happen if out of eight sections, only one or two is shifting. For it to have any chance at all, the design has to include the movement of all 8 sectors from one sector to the other. It will be this interaction between the left and right side of the wheel that will result in a perpetual motion design.

If you want to see a very close design that I made and will be redoing soon, you can look here. The main error, balls were not big enough to have enough influence over the total mass. Next wheel will not be in aluminium but in 1" plastic with 1" steel balls.
http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups'%20stuff/eight-ball-wheel/

[BAHammer]

BAHammer,

As per your explanation I ask that you look at the design and consider the weight position, without focusing on the cam and ratchets.  You will find the same prime example of a non-runner as depicted in Bessler's drawings MT #1 through 5, 9, 10, and 11. It's commonly called 'Changing height for width.

If you believe you can patent this as a runner, I look forward to obtaining your patent drawings.

Ralph
 

  Ralph,
Later tonight I will modify the posted drawing. I'll also include an explanation.
In this forum, I don't take to much personally. An example of this is I have never told AB Hammer that my grandfather and great grandfather were silver and gold smiths. Plus they owned their own business of which they fabricated any parts needed for boats. This included working with generator/motor combinations. Needless to say, on my dad's side of the family, there are some capable people.
With me, doubt I'll ever meet anyone in this forum. Because of that, I have tried to stay with how a wheel can work. And with Bessler, he designed some of his mechanics to work a certain way. This does not mean that specific design would be capable of running, but it was designed to work a certain way.

[rlortie]

Wattsup,

Do you have an estimated cost to build the design in question just out of curiosity.

It is hard to estimate cost as it depends upon your availablity to find materials.  I do a lot of dumpster diving, prowling recycle yards, thrift shops, yard sales etc. If I have to buy something not already in my inventory, I usually head for Ace Hardware, Northern Tool Supply, and McMaster Carr.
I do not calculate or figure in any time and have no need to pay for machining or fabrication.
 

The perpetual motion wheel will not happen if out of eight sections, only one or two is shifting. For it to have any chance at all, the design has to include the movement of all 8 sectors from one sector to the other. It will be this interaction between the left and right side of the wheel that will result in a perpetual motion design.

Once again we have a width for height scenario, one must keep in mind that symmetrical pinned weights always transfer the weight to the pin. I call it 'boot strapping'  your attempting to pick yourself up by your on boots. This is where Ab Hammer's gravity grid becomes useful
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If you want to see a very close design that I made and will be redoing soon, you can look here. The main error, balls were not big enough to have enough influence over the total mass. Next wheel will not be in aluminium but in 1" plastic with 1" steel balls.
http://www.purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups'%20stuff/eight-ball-wheel/

Interesting site! and a display of craftsmanship, I will have to spend some free time browsing all your categories.  As for your eight ball design, I believe you will find many variations of it. In fact it resembles some recent work that AB hammer has posted. I believe he will agree with me that it does not work and once again it takes you right back to Bessler's first drawings.

Adding more weight is not the answer, and Bessler spoke quite adamantly about those who attempt it. If it will not run, adding larger weights will not help. Rolling balls in cells all experience one thing in common other than not running. You move the weights out on the descent and concentrate them near the axle on the ascent. The weight to leverage ratio always comes out with the concentrated side balancing out or keeling at some point. Thus the term 'height for width'

Ralph