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[PaulLowrance]

That's what I was pointing out, that companies, engineers, people are not perfect and make mistakes. If a company fails at something in particular then it doesn't make them a liar. Eventually we'll learn the truth.

Although, by no means does that indicate there aren't people or groups interested in misguiding legitimate researchers!  Anyone who's been in this industry for a few years should know better. The same people, at least the same personalities with different user names, post about their smoking gun "free energy" machine, but they refuse to take it to a local University or anyone, they get sensitive when anyone trys to get details from them, they linger the discussion on and on and on while people try their best to guess at the details trying to replicate it. Eventually everyone gets burnt out. When I say "burnt out," I'm not referring to lookie loos! I'm referring to peoeple who actually get off their a** and try to build something. They are good people that get burnt out. They are the people we need in this community. What good is it to have hundreds of lookie loos? Anyhow, a great example was the Whipmag / OC-MPMM motor by alsetalokin. History has shown that these thugs have zero interest in making money. They don't advertise to sell anything. They refuse to prove their "free energy" claim. The end result is always legitimate researchers getting burnt. So if you ask me, my theory about what's happening to this "free energy" community is spot on.

PL

[0c]

Anyhow, a great example was the Whipmag / OC-MPMM motor by alsetalokin. History has shown that these thugs have zero interest in making money. They don't advertise to sell anything. They refuse to prove their "free energy" claim. The end result is always legitimate researchers getting burnt.

Some clarification Paul:

1) There is no advertising to sell anything because there is nothing to sell. As far as I know, there is only one single WhipMag in existence that does anything exceptional. And that particular device does not appear to be for sale.

2) The person who constructed that single device which demonstrated anomalous behavior has disclaimed any production of "free energy". However, to the best of my knowledge, he has refused to allow it to be examined by any third party. Most of the rest of us WhipMag researchers would gladly submit our devices for scientific examination, should we happen to reproduce the effects Alsetalokin showed.

3) There is no intent to burn any researchers, although there may be a few that feel they have been burned. The device Al demonstrated looks deceptively simple. Unfortunately, nobody has yet been able to replicate the anomalous effects. It all looked so easy. A year later, we realize it is a much more complex mechanism than it appears to be. I'm sincerely sorry if any WhipMag researchers feel like they were cheated.

WhipMag research efforts are continuing.

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[utilitarian]

What I think is hilarious is Steorn has settled on the Lawrence Tseung theory of producing free energy devices.  Their current position, if I understand it correctly, is that they are not going to make the technology, they are going to license the technology.  So they are not going to try to market the Orbo, they want to sell their "technology" to someone else and let them make it work.

So they are selling the theory, and letting other people (the 300 engineers?) see if they can make it viable (i.e. "we cannot make the Orbo work, but here, you try").  Um, that's great for them, I guess.  No more pressure to produce a working Orbo.  But this does not exactly inspire confidence in anything they have found, but it is consistent with their idiotic stunts of the past, like the "jury validation" of the Orbo.  Why in the world do you need a jury validation, when the product can speak for itself.  Can you think of a single other company that had a "jury validation" before launching a product?  Just demo the thing, under a load, for a long enough period of time where there could be no internal energy source, and there is your proof, geez.

What's also interesting is that the desire not to produce actual products does not seem to be a complete company policy.  They are promoting their measuring tools, which apparently they are able to manufacture.  I guess the investors are looking for something tangible, so some pressure is on.

[PaulLowrance]

2) The person who constructed that single device which demonstrated anomalous behavior has disclaimed any production of "free energy".

After anyone has seen Al's video and knowing that Al claimed the motor ran for like 7 hours straight without stopping where Al had to physically stop it, who in their right mind would care a less if Al disclaimed any production of "free energy" LOL!  That's like the USA disclaiming to have a Nuclear bomb after nuking Japan. IMO that makes Al look even worse.

3) There is no intent to burn any researchers

Bull!!!  And it's odd that you are still defending him!


PL

[PaulLowrance]

utilitarian, I've answered in great detail everything you pointed out. Lets not enter into an endless circular conversation for the sole purpose of having the last word.

PL