ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[Magluvin]

Hey forest

Maybe you are missing the point.  This doesnt have anything to do with the coil or the transformer or inductance.

In the kids video, he is charging the cap through an led, of which there has to be a resistor so the led doesnt blow

But we can us a light bulb in place of that led, the same bulb he shows to discharge the cap.

If we replace the led with the light bulb to charge the cap, the light bulb will light, and the amount of light and time it lasts is a reflection of power used from the source. And when the bulb goes out, that cap contains the same amount of energy to light that bulb again.

Now, we use a transformer to take that 2 for 1 and we should be able to charge 2 batteries with 1. 


Maybe I am explaining it wrong.    I am going to work on this for the day and see what I can do to show it better.

What is so cool is it is not necessary to have high voltages and high freq and all that transmitting jazz, this is simple, simple, simple   and I will have a project on the bench by the end of the day. I have all I need to put many variations together.

Mags

[bboj]

I think TIito was refering to a shorter stronger burst of the capacitor discharge - energy magnification.

[gyulasun]

Hi Magluvin,

Thanks for the link.  My only respectful question is whether anybody built those simulations with real components and evaluated the results.

Here is another Spice based simulation on discharging a cap into another cap via different loads, please read this if you have not read it, I think the simulation is much more realistic:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

However, I am aware of a patent which seems to double the runtime of a load from a battery...  here it is: US 7085123  ( see a free pdf copy here: http://www.pat2pdf.org/  )

rgds, Gyula

Gyula

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6763.msg257252#msg257252

On the right, I could just charge the cap directly from the source and get source voltage in the cap, but ad the diode and inductor, we get inertia in the inductor that pulls more energy from the source to load the cap up to 2 times the source voltage.   I am not saying that the extra is free.    The diode just keeps the cap and coil from oscillating and cap gets charged

But in my new circuit, the load does not have to be a transformer.  It can be a resistor for heat, it can be a motor, AC motor at that. 

Try this. rig up a 12v battery a dpst switch a cap and 2 diodes, Charge the cap(what ever value) throught the load, the motor will turn for a bit. That is energy used by the motor from the source through the cap, and that will qualify as power from the source. Then we run the motor from just the caps charge, and the motor will run for the same amount of time.  2 for 1   Of course the motor will go in the other direction each flipping of the switch but you get the drift.   Imagine the cap empty as a conductor, the source will only see the motor as a load at first, so full current possibilities get to the motor at first and start to lower as the cap is charged. Once the motor stops, the cap is at full charge.  Try it    And if we know caps, the cap discharge into the load can be more than from the source.

12v bat  charge a cap with a resistor, it will take longer but the cap will get to source voltage.

It is very very easy to do and test


Mags

[IWD]

I think...when you charge the capacitor over coil, then as capacitor begins charged the voltage on it will rise and then voltage on coil will fall, so on the load will also fall, thru it, the load will obtain only half energy which is needed to charge up the capacitor. And when you discharge it, the next half will be delivered to the load.
But if  the load will have bigger resitance, then the colapsing magnetic field from coil charge up the capacitor instead to collapse to the load(if is pure resistance) then the spent energy is little recycled as capacitor again discharge>>oscilation.

[forest]

I think...when you charge the capacitor over coil, then as capacitor begins charged the voltage on it will rise and then voltage on coil will fall, so on the load will also fall, thru it, the load will obtain only half energy which is needed to charge up the capacitor. And when you discharge it, the next half will be delivered to the load.
But if  the load will have bigger resitance, then the colapsing magnetic field from coil charge up the capacitor instead to collapse to the load(if is pure resistance) then the spent energy is little recycled as capacitor again discharge>>oscilation.

I agree. There are two issues needed :

1. effective charging of capacitor,instantly recharging the missing little charge
2. very fast taking part of energy from capacitor using not much charge from it
3. by 2 we generate very big magnetic field very abruptly disconnected so collapse is very fast and produce high difference of voltage
4. we repeat 2 while capacitor is immediately recharged by magic method using coil (I'm not sure how it works but a few videos indicate it is possible, maybe if capacitor sees a different potentials between terminals it immediately charge?)
5 energy gain is in collapse of magnetic field abruptly cut
6. some says that that collapse should be doped with HV discharge as per kapanadze but I doubt it is something different, it's just another method to shake magnetic field  which I do not understand yet

This is an effect like when arrow or proper length and elasticity knock in a wood shield with a loud "brrrm" sound due to oscillations of air. It happen not always but when speed and other parameters are correct and I suppose it happen when arrow speed is at max peak just before it knock in the wood...

there   are probably all or most of the puzzles but not arranged yet into any working idea and still missing part is the output and all related
I may be mistaken ,surely I don't know how coil of self-induction works : does it recharge capacitor or rather allow for very short spike from capacitor so do not discharging it (Bearden idea of S-Flow and degenerate semiconductor) or maybe both ?

Tito, do you know which way coil work ?