ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[IWD]

oh...That is classic phenomenon called "Displacement current"  for example tesla writes about it here: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1919-05-00.htm (among others)
Because do not exist coil, withou current, there is always current which depentds on capacity. If you add capacity, you will increase current in coil, and if you will have exact ampermetr conected in primary , you can also clearly see the current rise in primary as you increase current in secondary by conected capacity(can be earth grounding, antene, iron, copper or anything conductive.) And thus that, is increased efectivity of avramenko.

Or in other words, there is not exist absolutely closed circuit, and there is not exist absolutely open circuit.(thanks to Capacity, or longitudinal wave if you want)
Thus that, is also evident that for avramenko, coil with small capacity betwet turns is more efective that coil with high capacity betwen turns(bifilar for example) Because if you consider coil which have for example 6pf parasitic capacitance, and you add avramenko plug which add letsay 100pf to the coil, then bigger part of current will flow to the avramenko. And of course if you will have letsay, coil with parasitic capacitance 1.2n and you will add avramenko with his 100pf then bigger part of current will remain in coil. Of course, you can connect avramenko with letsay 100pf on one side, and grounding with XXXXXpf on other side. Then total capacitance which you add will be of course much more than 100pf, because is in serial conection with ground.

Next what you can observe is fact, that ground, and also air have negative charge, of course earth have much more negative potencial than air.(and depends on voltage node in coil, elevation, yearly period, distance from other object, and others little aspect.)
Because If you connect avr. plug. to the side where is + (after sudden interrupt in primary)  then is more efective than if you connect it to the - side of the coil.

To the discharging back to the battery: I remember 8 years ago there was effort to do it.
http://vmiksik.sweb.cz/energy.html It was posted on one czech forum, but nobody post succes.

on page 34, I was posted scheme how to maximize efectivity of avramenko, by using ground and antene. But it lead nowhere. no overunity.
If you do not harvest back the energy from collapsing magntic field. Then the energy will be radiated and lost. Only part of radiation you will use to the avramenko. But on other hand. If you connect letsay, capacitor to collect it, then efectivity of avramenko is decreased, until capacitor is charged to some level.

[Magluvin]

Hey Watts
I can see how the cap just gets 1 side charged at a time from the pump action of the secondary during each phase.
The secondary just pumps the electrons(or charge) from 1 side of the cap to the other. 
So a large cap, I would want a transformer that was larger to get it to charge in a timely manor, Lots of copper on that secondary, more free electrons and lots of volume to pump and compress them to. 
An open secondary must be pumping the electrons from one end to the other of the sec coil, AND there has to be room in that coil to take on new electrons from one side of the cap, and possibly be depleted of some when pumping them into the other side of the cap. Inductor inertia.

Either way I think doing all this probably affects the input some how. Im doing a vid of input power in a bit, one with the neon tube, one sec open and one with the plug and different value caps. I might think a 1F cap may cause a bit of a load on the plug, maybe.

Hey Forest
I will definitely check more about those devices. We will see what the SIDACs do when they get here.  I think they were 1500w if I remember correctly.  Got myself a 4700ft roll of 23 awg wire to roll my own large inductors also. Just got it today.  If I need larger awg for a project I can wind multiple strands of it. Its my first big roll of this type of wire. Ive had larger though when I was doing car audio. =]
I think adding the GND to the circuit just may  get the neon unit pulling some big current.  Ill do a test and a vid on it.  =]

Hey IWD

Thanks for the info.

Tito pointed it to us, so hopefully it holds some merit. ;]  Thanks teets, very cool

[Magluvin]

Here is a vid of input current from the battery.   It is still uploading, says about 55 min   argh   wuzzup wit yt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhikMvWd0bo



Mags

[forest]

Mags

Can you check with smaller cap maybe higher voltage rated ? The only problem I see is how to speed up process of charging without consuming current from source.

[Kator01]

Hi Mag,

why do you not calculate the energy of the capacitor with this formula here for Ec:

http://www.olino.org/us/articles/2006/11/22/charge-efficiency-capacitor

after you have measured the current times Voltage times seconds it needs to charge up the capapcitor to a certain voltage-level ?

However, before you can do this, you have to exactly measure the capacitance of your condenser as you can not trust the value on the label.

Regards

Kator01