ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[Magluvin]

I had thought about putting a lil inertia in there. But if the plug only affects 1 side of the cap per phase, hmmm
Maybe.  A coil in series between each diode and the cap.  Once it gets going, the coils are flywheelin charge from one side of the cap to the other.  Despite discharge, if the coils are the right H for the freq of the neon unit, the neon unit will now only be a kicker keeping the flywheels in motion, and hopefully less current input comes of it.

Think of it, even as one side of the cap is being charged by neon unit each phase, with the flywheels in motion, both sides of the cap will be affected in charge at all times.

Thanks Iwd   Makes sense to me  ;]

Im shooting this 500v gap vid right now. Then I want to try this flywheel ting.

[IWD]

Well ...I do not write something, what I do not testing before, only fact.
But what you can find very interesting, is that conencting negative  part of primary to condenser. like in attached picture(only simle scheme do not look at value, first two coil are on same core, and better is trifilar where you can take negative point from one free secondary. The third coil is just selfinductance):
It doubles the av plug output for constant(same) time, for same input power.

[Magluvin]

Iwd
Are you sure this primary connection wont hurt my primary side circuitry?  Even when I touch a secondary lead I can pull a spark about 1mm, and it burns.  This might cause my primary of the neons circuitry to become of that high potential.   
Would you suggest a resistor or cap to make that connection?

I have added an inductor to the mix for this vid, and I can show if there is a difference, but not using the primary line as shown above yet.

Will be postin the vid in a bit

Mags

[IWD]

I understand, for that reason is better to use transformer with 3 windings like I am wrote, and use negative point from free secondary. I was make my transformer by my self, and other part like mosfet is highly overlarge with breakdown parametrs. But with you device, is realy not good idea to connect it by this way.
I am also using lower voltage than you. If you care about larger spark, then is good to use high voltage and smal value caps, and charged it to higger possible value. But if you care about taking back some power back to source. Or just when you want handle with it, then is better to use smaller voltage.
Benefits are for example: for lower voltage you can use much faster diodes(25ns) which also increase efectivity of avr. plug
Or you can discharge it to other coil, or somwhere else, by tranzistors or mosfets which is also better and more efective than using sidac, trisil, transil or sparkgap, because when you are using solidstate part you can easy control break time and thus thath break wave at peak. Even more, you can discharge capacitor by let say, 5* times before are empty, and thus that you can have 5 break at peak. And I can also make exact measurement of input/output power
(and of course when you have let say mosfet rated 1500v, then you can have more than 1000v tension spikes on primary, and thus that with transformer just with letsay rate 1:5 ..you can have 5kv on the output, and input power will stay at letsay 0,1A from 12v battery,...if you care about biggest possible voltage, just use ingnition coil and mosfet rated at least 800v, and you will have let say 1-1,3 cm long arch on the output, just with 1,2w input) I write this, because maybe I am just misunderstood this:
"To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps
, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w"
You mean with DC current without any interrupt?

[Magluvin]

I write this, because maybe I am just misunderstood this:
"To run one of these coils normally with a 1ohm ballast resistor and points at 12v, the coil can consume 6 to 10 amps
, with voltages above 14 when running.  All well above 50w"
You mean with DC current without any interrupt?

True, DC as example.  Actually older cars with points, you shouldnt leave the ignition on due to the points may be closed. Its not good for points or the coil, let alone the battery. Many coils vary.  I have a coil MSD that wont fire with 12v, it needs cap discharge.

Back in a bit

Mags