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ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

Started by Tito L. Oracion, February 06, 2009, 01:45:08 AM

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Dave45

So how do we boost the potential when the switch is off,  we need to slingshot the electron around a magnetic pole to gain potential.
Sound familiar isnt that what they do with deep space satellites. Maybe I watched too much star trek when I was a kid  ;D

allcanadian

@Dave
QuoteHey AC I couldnt agree more but maybe you should look at the model closer,
electrons are expressed in blue current in red.
The model shows electrons moving from neg to pos and current moving from pos to neg.
The best of my understanding is is that current is a byproduct of electron flow and does not
actually come from the battery.
Yes I took a better look at the diagram. There are a few things to consider and generally I use the "charge mosaic" concept. A neutral body has a neutral charge of (+/-) and if we remove some electrons(-) which are masking the protons(+) fields then the body is said to have a (+) charge. If we add more electrons(-) to the object to mask the protons(+)fields then the object is said to have a (-) charge. So there are always the same number of electrons/protons in the system however the charged state thus the energy state relates to where the charges are in the system which determines where they move, our current.
We cannot have a current flow of positive charges because the Protons are not moving in the system only the electrons are and when an electron moves it produces a magnetic field. Here is where it gets tricky, what is Energy?, Energy is when a condition "changes" which causes motion and this motion can perform work(F x D). At which point we may see that the (-) terminal is losing some electrons and changing as well as the (+) terminal gaining some electrons and also changing. Thus the Energy in the system, a change in condition, always acts in both directions on both (+/-) terminals even though the physical flow of electrons, our current, is only moving in one direction. Which helps explain why the electrons move very very slow (electron drift) in the conductor and yet the Energy transfer can be very large. The Energy is the change in condition which acts in both directions and also produces another field where energy is stored which we call a magnetic field. A lot of shite going on in what we perceive as a simple circuit.
AC
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Dave45

Quote from: allcanadian on January 14, 2015, 01:06:12 PM
@DaveYes I took a better look at the diagram. There are a few things to consider and generally I use the "charge mosaic" concept. A neutral body has a neutral charge of (+/-) and if we remove some electrons(-) which are masking the protons(+) fields then the body is said to have a (+) charge. If we add more electrons(-) to the object to mask the protons(+)fields then the object is said to have a (-) charge. So there are always the same number of electrons/protons in the system however the charged state thus the energy state relates to where the charges are in the system which determines where they move, our current.
We cannot have a current flow of positive charges because the Protons are not moving in the system only the electrons are and when an electron moves it produces a magnetic field. Here is where it gets tricky, what is Energy?, Energy is when a condition "changes" which causes motion and this motion can perform work(F x D). At which point we may see that the (-) terminal is losing some electrons and changing as well as the (+) terminal gaining some electrons and also changing. Thus the Energy in the system, a change in condition, always acts in both directions on both (+/-) terminals even though the physical flow of electrons, our current, is only moving in one direction. Which helps explain why the electrons move very very slow (electron drift) in the conductor and yet the Energy transfer can be very large. The Energy is the change in condition which acts in both directions and also produces another field where energy is stored which we call a magnetic field. A lot of shite going on in what we perceive as a simple circuit.
AC
Yes I can understand your view and all avenues should be explored.
We will find the answer someday.
Im building, the weather is slowing me down and I spend alot of time contemplating trying to see all the angles.

Dave45

Iv posted this before and maybe you'v seen it but this simulation is what makes me think the current is a byproduct of electron flow.

This simulation shows current flow so you can see it runs opposite electron flow, when the switch is on the current flows from pos to neg and conversely the electron is flowing from neg to pos.

When the switch is off the current flows through the diode, now if current were a product of the battery it would flow straight into the neg terminal and it would be over but it doesnt and the only way to see whats really happening is to look at the circuit from an electron flow perspective.

When the switch turns on electrons move through the circuit from neg to pos when the switch turns off the electrons still moving in the circuit take the alternate path through the diode they are not attracted to ground so continue to circulate through the circuit.
This indicates that current is a byproduct of electron flow.
http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/PSU/psu31.php
About halfway down the page is a sim.

So as long as we have electron flow we will have current flow.

The problem with the circuit is potential, when the switch is on the battery supplies the potential but when the switch is off the potential relaxes and without potential the electron slows down.

It needs a kick during the off cycle and preferably one that doesnt require energy from the battery.

Dave45

I wonder if the magnet needs to be spinning as a planet is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist