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ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

Started by Tito L. Oracion, February 06, 2009, 01:45:08 AM

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Magluvin

Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on August 14, 2012, 03:35:56 AM

In one switching we can charge more than one caps in parallel and in one switching we can arrange them in series, supposedly if we have three bats then doing that to other bats then discharging those lifted up volts sequentially.


we can actually do it in one bats only ok!


;D

Well with 3 batteries, do we need any caps at all?  Cant we just put 2 batts in series then pulse 1 with the 2, then sequentially switch the batteries around and repeating?

Seems like just shuffling energy around, and we havnt done any work yet. ;]

MaGs

lancaIV

Magluvin,
to your question an easy,soft thinking,answer:
virtually and naturally you can transform your idea of this battery cycle,this is not the question,
but what will be the result/-s  ;) ?

Sincerely
                 CdL

Bob Smith

Mags, FWIW --
My take on this.  There's a battery, cap in series, coil...
I think you're right about energy being just transferred around, unless something is added to help the dipole to rapidly open and close.  I think a reed switch, properly aligned with a neo, to act as a spark gap, might do the trick here; there are a couple of other ways I can think of as well. Once this happens, then the battery isn't just an energy source, but also a kind of aerial for radiant energy, rushing in to restore the balance after the discharge out of the coil and over the gap in the reed switch. In this sense, the radiant energy's influx will replenish the battery, enabling it to continuously deliver thru the circuit. In fact, this action should condition the battery, making it more efficient to charge (and deliver) this way.
Mrs. Smith has me on a pretty gruelling honey-do list bender, and I don't have time to work on this idea, but maybe it'll help move the ball down the field a bit.
All the best to you and Sir Teets :)
Bob

Magluvin

Hey Lanca and Bob

Lanca

I do a lot of work on the bench. Sometimes it gets tiring. Im sure most go through that.

But then I come back all fulla OU jitters. ;]  But it is good to take a break here n there.

Its the late nights that git me.  In between bench time I spend time here also.

Lets see, Sleep, eat, work, work and work, eat then sleep again. ;]

Hey Bob

i will try some of these things.

If the sequential battery switching(3 batts) does prove good, maybe its not a radiant energy event. Was just thinking about this at work all day and thought of a few things.

I read where some say  "well where do the extra electrons come from if there is more energy out?" Something like that. I find that to be a statement of misunderstanding.

In the case of a battery, if it is charging, where are the extra electrons coming from to charge the battery? From the charger?

No, they come from the + side of the battery. The charger just pumps them from the + to the - .  And if the charger runs on AC wall current, then the electrons that are available at the chargers input are just moved back and forth. they never see the circuit, and most chargers/power supplies, linear or switching are isolated from in to out.

I get the advantages of Gnd. I see the Gnd as a source of electrons, and a place to put them.  When considering lets say a 10uf cap, a 1 farad cap and finally the Earth, think of the Earth as the same as just 1 leg of the caps also being considered here.

If we take some electrons and force some into the - lead of the 10uf cap, not doing anything with the + lead of the cap, then a charge will build in the cap. The + side of the cap, though it didnt lose or take on any electrons, will be positive in polarity vs the pumped up - side of the cap.

We see this in the function of the AV plug, where the HV open ended HF secondary pumps electrons in one side of the cap and sucks them out of the other, one side of the cap at a time for each half cycle of the HF open ended secondary. If we ground the open side of  the sec, the cap will charge faster, because instead of electrons being compressed from one end of the secondary winding to the other, the earth relieves that pressure buildup on the open end of the secondary. The cap lead side of the secondary is still compressing and decompressing.

As the open ended secondary is pumping the AV plug, the open end of the sec gets decompressed, depleted of electrons and then compressed again, so the tension built in the sec winding only has the amount of electrons in the capacitor and the winding to work with. All limited by the pressures presented by the open ended secondary, which isnt much. ;]

But with a Gnd on the open end of the sec, we relieved the tension. Now the open end of the winding doesnt get depleted of electrons, nor compressed full of them, because the Earth is easily willing to take and give them, because potential differences are nill while doing so. So now the winding has more in reserve to not become depleted on the open end while pumping into the cap on the other end, nor too compressed when taking electrons from the other side of the cap. This allows more electrons to be pumped in and out of the cap faster, by using the earth as a place to put them, and take them, without potentials building opposing the flow of currents. So we get more in and out of the cap via the AV plug using a gnd on the open end of the sec..
But, with the addition of the gnd to the open end of the sec, we also increase the current flow in the winding, which causes the input to increase. The gnd increases activity, but not just on the output. ;] Not near as much as a ull load on the sec, but much more than open.

But we probably are not even close to a full charge on the cap, charged 1 legged, mostly because the potential difference charged into the cap, builds up and presses back at more incoming from the 1 legged pump. The caps potentials equalize to the input and a full charge, with this 1 legged method is complete for discharge and start over.

Now the 1 farad cap, we can pump way more into its - lead, again 1 legged, than the 10uf cap. But that potential will build also. But it will take longer and store more. And the higher that potential gets, the less there can be pumped in as it builds, till finally the - lead wont take any more, unless the pumps pressure is raised higher.

Now we have our Earth Gnd.  With our little circuits, we probably could not measure how much charge is built in the earth by pumping electrons into it. At least not a measurement from the opposite end of the planet, with all the activity that is going on all around us.. ;]  So pumping electrons into the earth should be the easiest place to put them, being that the charge that we created in the Earth really didnt change much potentially in reference to the circuit, so not much potential charge to oppose the pump.
And equally, we can take some electrons form the Earth, probably easier than anything else. 

The earth is 1 leg of a capacitor, and the atmosphere is the +. The higher we go in the atmosphere, the higher potential in reference to Gnd.

If we have a circuit that is grounded, but no antenna, thats not to say that some part of that circuit isnt connected capacitively to the atmosphere. lol, if its here and above water or land, it is.

So cool, we have this large venue that we can pump electrons to and from. But how does that help us?  This huge capacitor, is already charged.  So I suppose that if we use this huge capacitor, it is probably a good place to get free charge any time. But who is going to let us build towers to connect to the higher voltage atmosphere? Heck, in Oregon, a man has reservoirs on 'his land', and the Gov is telling him the rain that falls in his reserves is not his.  :o   And I bet the charge in that huge cap is not ours to use either.  :o :o

So, all in all, if we have our 3 batteries and a switching circuit that puts 2 in series and pulses the 3rd batt, sequentially switching them around, and if it works, then I dont really see involvement of radiant energy really, and no extra electrons are necessary either, because we are just pumping them from + to - of the batteries terminals, sucking them from the + and pumping them to the - .  So what would we gain from the introduction of more electrons, or how does radiant energy fit in here?  ;)

Like, if there is only so many electrons that we can take from the + terminal and pump into the - terminal till we are 'at full charge' , adding electrons would mean adding them to the positive side(where they are least), because the - side is full.  and if we do this, our charge is going to be down from full, because the adding of electrons to the + side will reduce polar potential. So, I dont really see where extra electrons are beneficial, not yet anyways.

And the radiant energy. How do we know its there? How do we measure it? Or is it just a name for something that is just not real, to explain something else that is not understood or just fallacy?  ;]

So I almost always look for logical explanations first. I will usually lead you to whether someones idea is a fake or a mistake. Havnt had a need to have radiant energy be an explanation, yet.  No OU to explain it with, Yet.  ;]

Not degrading your post Bob. ;]  just thinking out loud. ;] And I know you didnt say anything of extra electrons. It was just part of my whole thoughts for the day and relating to Earth gnd and such.  ;]



Mags

Dave45

Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on August 06, 2012, 04:59:47 AM
@ LancaIV


what is your problem? i think your sick! your messing my thread.  >:(


i think you need a capacitor, and i'll charge you inductively  ;D


You want square! then i'll match you to chet  ;D




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