ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[Bob Smith]

Exactly. How do we take energy from the ring without killing it. That would be key.

Or even better than lenzless, an arrangement that is one step further and once the ring has begun it builds upon itself and we take from it once it gets large enough. That would be key also.'

Either way would work. The self building config would be maybe a bit dangerous if safety measures are not put into place and of quality build and components. And if there is such a beast, would it not possibly start ringing and building by itself if excited just a lil bit?     Dunno, but it would be incredible to experience.

I have tried a lot of things and havnt been able to do either. Yet.

There must be a combination of coils whether they be bifi or not that can get us to this result.

Back when Romero was running the Muller gen, one of the things I always wondered about his coils, was whether they were bifi or not.He did say that capacitance needed to be increased in the coil, where bifi seems like the only solution. 

He supposedly used 7 strand litz. I had thoughts that he actually divided the individual strands and used half for 1 winding of the bifi and the others for the other winding, of which would be 3 strands and 4 strands if it were 7 strand litz. He said it was a tremendous amount of work in tuning the coils. If one was to do this, you would have to separate the strands at each end, clean of the enamel of each strand end, identify each strand end to end, then measure the capacitances between mixes of different strand combinations the get equal tuning for each coil bobbin.

Picture the cross sectional view of 7 strand litz. (I would get an even strand no. if available) Lets just imagine 1 center strand and 6 outer. If we chose every other outer strand to be one winding combo, there should be more capacitance than if we just had 3 adjacent to each other on one side and the other 3, adjacent to each other to have less if one measured the 2 windings for capacitance.  Then just add the middle one to either of the windings, just because it is there. 

This was the only solution I could come up with that might have taken so long to tune, and seems realistic in theory. The capacitance by doing it with the individual strands will be way more than just using 2 litz wires wound together to make a bifi.  And maybe thats why others couldnt get the same results because they could not accumulate enough capacitance to get the coils to ring at the low freq that Romero had gotten. 

Lol, I tried to achieve lenzless effects with a large many turn coil, not bifi, and instead of getting speedup, I got rpm lock, where once reached, more and more power did not break the lock. So possibly a bifi would act differently. And my coil was way big where capacitance would be very low in comparison to a Romero coil size in bifi, but my freq of operation was much lower also due to the high inductance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNCF7uQzwzM

Mags

Hey Mags
I woke up last night thinking about this. I think your keying-in on Romero's call for capacitance is bang-on.  I kept thinking about the same thing - that the bifi coils should actually be series-wound (not parallel-wound).  This is just like Tesla's series-wound pancake coil (end of one strand connected to beginning of other). We know that the pancake coil, wound such, has very high capacitance, due to the mutual cancelling of magnetic fields by both strands.

Jacknoskills was working with single-stranded caduceus coils on a toroid, with a cap. He claimed they were oscillating at low voltage quite easily. The caduceus winding does basically the same thing as the series-wound bifi, as I understand it:
http://www.overunity.com/13265/is-this-the-smithkapanadze-secret/

So with this in mind, I need to update here my earlier comments. I really believe the series bifi winding is the way to go (possibly with a cap).  This might not be necessary for the primary, secondary and pickup - that's something maybe we can figure out.

But think back to the TMT.  You have a primary, resonant secondary and pickup, I think. If you are using pancake-style bifi wound coils (serial wound) for your primary and secondary, you should be able to get them into oscillation at fairly low voltage, according to jacknoskills' findings.  Because they are wound to cancel out their own mag fields, they will be producing scalar impulses, and if we look at the way Tesla describes the bifi pancake coil in his patent for it (can't find reference right now), the voltage is decently high.

If we are dealing with scalar vectors, then I believe we can circumvent the Lenz problem. Perhaps the pickup coil should also be identical to the primary and secondary, to pickup the scalar energy as well.  I guess that's something that can be figured out with a little experimenting.

Thanks for the helpful comments, Forest.
GTG - getting pounded by snow right now, getting ready for work.
Bob

Edit:  I think there's still room in this config for perpendicular coil(s). Perhaps the resonant secondary? Gotta think this thru.

[totoalas]

in my trifilar coil
shorting the coil produced a drag that stops the rotor
shorting with a cap the 3rd coil increase speed
and  output voltage from 3 to 9 v ac
combining 2nd and 3rd coil
increase input current from 200 to 400 ma more torque in parallel
in series   same torque but need time to start up ye circuit unlike in parallel connection
totoalas lenze ( less???) motor  yt
N S N S  8 inches rotor hd magnet

http://www.overunity.com/11350/confirming-the-delayed-lenz-effect/msg356745/#msg356745

[Magluvin]

Hey Mags
I woke up last night thinking about this. I think your keying-in on Romero's call for capacitance is bang-on. 

Hey Bob

Well I certainly hope so. lol  Just kidding

What really interested me is the functional cause of the speedup. I wrote quite a bit of what I thought back then. Still pretty fresh. It must have been the coil going into, or close to resonance in order for phasing to change from having lenz to having less. I dont believe it was that the coils inductance was just not accepting the induced freq of the magnet passes, like a low pass crossover coil in audio, because that would definitely lower the output, not improve upon it.

I believe Romero used 300 turns. With just a rod core and a backing magnet, I just could not see resonance happening at the freq that the coils were being passed by the magnets if they were just single filar coils.  And the freq is even higher than just counting the magnet passes. The frequency is a measure of when the magnet approaches and the coil peaks at one polarity, then as the magnet is leaving the coil, there is a peak in the other polarity. The freq is the measure between those 2 peaks. If we remember the scope shots, there is considerable space between the cycles of the magnet passes, and no notable continuation of oscillation. But that doesnt mean that a resonant freq of the coil is not occurring. And there can be gain in amplitude during that one cycle when at or near the resonant freq of the coil, even though it is damped by the magnets still having a hold on the coil when the magnet is leaving the coil, beyond the flip of polarity between peaks of the freq of resonance.  Hope that makes sense. 

So the only way I could conceive how he might have gotten as much capacitance as I would imagine to get that low of a freq would be to separate the individual strands at each end of the litz and forming a series bifi using half of the strands for one winding and the other half for the other. This would then become 600 turns thus increasing inductance even further along with increasing capacitance by having so many bifi winding surfaces within physical contact of each other as compared to the standard 2 multi stranded wires wound next to each other.  Only then was I able to conceive the possibility of the motor being able to achieve the freq to get the coil to produce the effect. Look how big the coil in my vid is, being a single filar coil and how low of a freq it reacts at, then look at the size of Romeros coils. My coil, I used caps to tune by applying them to the ends of the coil. This is different than having the capacitance within the coil throughout.... and maybe that is why I had rpm lock instead of speedup.

And then there is the 7th strand. Was it shorted? Or was it added to one of the bifi strands to make 4 and 3? Didnt make much sense to me then just as it doesnt now soo, I lean toward the short. 

Mags

[totoalas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0mYMIKmGo0

Open tesla coil  load test

[Dave45]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0