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ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

Started by Tito L. Oracion, February 06, 2009, 01:45:08 AM

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onepower

Whatisit
Obviously I have touched a nerve and ruffled some feathers however my intent was not to attack any given person or belief more so to point out the flaws in our reasoning. For example...

QuoteThere are also many paintigs of God.
So, if I show you painting with God on it, you imediatelly know that He exists?
But only few claimed that they saw Him. Prophets.

So if there were many paintings of bigfoot riding a unicorn but only supposed prophets claimed to see them would you know they exist?. Well no that is completely absurd yet that is what you would have me believe. This is a false cause fallacy in presuming there is a relationship between a painting of something, an unrelated false claim by supposed prophets and the true reality of the situation.

QuoteTo see virus on picture is not the same as work with it.
Only small number of scientists are actually working with Corona virus.
And there are many kinds of scientists. Not all of them are working with viruses.
You are scientist too. Otherwise, you would not be here on this forum.
Did you saw Corona virus in person? Or been in same room with virus?

Your using the special pleading fallacy and trying to move the goal posts. First you said "Scientists believe in Corona virus, but they never saw it in person or been in same room with virus" and I showed you a picture the scientists took of the virus. Now your saying a picture is not enough and they have to work with it. Next I imagine a picture and working with it is not enough and the the scientists would actually have to be infected, lol. Then you became so desperate you actually implied I would have to be in the same room and see it for myself. Exactly how far do you intend to move the goal posts?... Uranus?.

QuoteSo, you can only believe what others tell you about that virus.
Believe is key word here.

I like to think of it this way, 19,266,406 infected people growing by 279,000 per day and 718,530 dead can't be wrong can they?. I also know some people who were infected with Covid ... or I could believe your weak and almost unintelligible arguments. Not much of a choice is it?.

QuoteScientists believe what other scientists or persons tell them, or not.
But they believe just as religious man believe in God.

So your suggesting that a scientist with decades of first hand experience believing what another scientist with decades of first hand experience said and proved with facts is similar to joe blow on the corner saying he believes he has an imaginary friend?... got it.

QuoteAt the end everyone believe in something.
Everyone.

Nice conclusion, however your using the bandwagon fallacy incorrectly. Your supposed to imply because more people believe something it must be more true but somehow you managed to screw that up, kudos. To be honest, I believe you believe because your line of reasoning and justification is like nothing I have ever seen my friend. You are off the charts...

Regards

WhatIsIt

If you did not see something with your own eyes, or touch it,
you have to believe others what they serve to you about it.
What ever that is.

Is this simple enough for your intelect?

And key word here is believe.

elanimus

Quote from: onepower on August 08, 2020, 02:19:58 AM
So your suggesting that a scientist with decades of first hand experience believing what another scientist with decades of first hand experience said and proved with facts is similar to joe blow on the corner saying he believes he has an imaginary friend?... got it.

Nice conclusion, however your using the bandwagon fallacy incorrectly. Your supposed to imply because more people believe something it must be more true but somehow you managed to screw that up, kudos. To be honest, I believe you believe because your line of reasoning and justification is like nothing I have ever seen my friend. You are off the charts...


The scientific community along with the receivers can rot into idea echo chambers highly disconnect from reality. Decades of firsthand experience is kinda irrelevant. "First hand experience" is not a good criteria to separate the weed from the wheat. It is understandable that many people are busy trying to live that they can't be true scientists(judges), as it's difficult for religious people to become true theologicians. Imaginary friend is a gross misrepresentation. We can basically call every concept human beings have come up with an "imaginary friend". I mean materiailisic science nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly-physical cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality.

onepower

Elanimus
QuoteThe scientific community along with the receivers can rot into idea echo chambers highly disconnect from reality. Decades of firsthand experience is kinda irrelevant. "First hand experience" is not a good criteria to separate the weed from the wheat. It is understandable that many people are busy trying to live that they can't be true scientists(judges), as it's difficult for religious people to become true theologicians.

Your simply moving the goal posts again as well as using the appeal to purity fallacy to imply because knowledge, understanding and expertise are difficult to understand they must be irrelevant...really?.

QuoteImaginary friend is a gross misrepresentation. We can basically call every concept human beings have come up with an "imaginary friend". I mean materiailisic science nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly-physical cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality.

In my opinion your simply kicking the can down the road. First you falsely implied knowledge and expertise are irrelevant and now your implying every human concept is somehow imaginary. Which is simply a strange way of arguing that ignorance is somehow a virtue when we know it's not. In my opinion it's just another logical fallacy because if every concept is imaginary and knowledge and understanding irrelevant the same line of reason must also apply to you and your beliefs. All of your conceptual understanding and supposed knowledge must be irrelevant as well.

Ah, there lies the problem doesn't it?. You would apply a set of rules to judge everyone else but never yourself.

QuoteI mean materiailisic science nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly-physical cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality.

I believe you may have just proven my point better than I could. Let's replace a few of your words and see what happens...

"I mean "religion" nowadays is filled with bizarre theories and concoctions trying to explain simple phenomena with its "holy" strictly "non-physical" cosmos dogma. These theories are laughable and yet many people take them to be ultimate reality."

It would seem to me your subconscious mind may know something you are not willing to admit to yourself. Why use the terminology of religion to falsely judge science which is simply the study of natural phenomena?. This is a common theme in theism, to accuse others of the thing we are because we cannot accept it, ergo we cannot accept ourselves as we are.

Myself, I'm cool with knowing I'm just another being on this planet drifting towards the constellation Orion in a seemingly infinite universe. I'm not a god superior to everything or everyone nor will I live forever in some imaginary place, my time here is finite. However I'm just a country boy at heart who would rather walk barefoot through the grass than across the marble floors of some mansion or church. Material possessions and beliefs don't impress me much, knowledge and understanding does.

Regards