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Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model

Started by Magnon, February 21, 2009, 10:16:08 AM

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Phantasm

Please forgive me for being critical of the great work you guys are doing in this thread but I must ask... And please correct me if I'm off base here (I very well could be) but...

Is this effect using the special core described herein necessary for the TPU to run? This isnt mentioned in SM's archive of forum posts.. Was it mentioned elsewhere by SM? I dont think he ever mentioned what kind of core to use for his collector toroids has he?

If a TPU needs to be tuned off frequency so as to avoid being overloaded is it even necessary to harness additional energy? Or are you proposing that this is how SM's TPU operated?

My reasoning here is that I would think he would have mentioned something about how it was necessary to tune the core's resonance as well as the coils no? I suppose its possible he just didnt mention it but considering the risks he took to divulge the what he WAS able to tell us, I dont see any reason why he wouldnt at least mention that the cores were special in some way and then hint about how we should explore the acoustics or w/e

Further to that point - In the video where he demonstrates his large TPU there is a section of it missing where you would be able to see a solid core there (I'm at work so I cannot confirm right now but) As far as I remember, it appeared that the torroid cores were separated slightly at the point where the leads came out... Wouldnt the internal core need to be uniform about the full circumference so as to allow for the acoustics to travel - if the continuity of the internal torroid (control coils) is breached shouldnt that impeed the travel of the necessary acoustics?

Dont get me wrong though, I'm not trying to discount how effective this effect could be for harnessing energy within a TPU, I just dont want to have more complication than whats needed for TPU functionality... (at least, in my TPU anyway...)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.. I really would appreciate your input, and once again - I hope I'm not coming across as being too critical of your efforts..

Cheers,

Magnon

Quote from: Phantasm on April 17, 2009, 02:42:33 AM
Please forgive me for being critical of the great work you guys are doing in this thread but I must ask... And please correct me if I'm off base here (I very well could be) but...

Is this effect using the special core described herein necessary for the TPU to run? This isnt mentioned in SM's archive of forum posts.. Was it mentioned elsewhere by SM? I dont think he ever mentioned what kind of core to use for his collector toroids has he?

If a TPU needs to be tuned off frequency so as to avoid being overloaded is it even necessary to harness additional energy? Or are you proposing that this is how SM's TPU operated?

My reasoning here is that I would think he would have mentioned something about how it was necessary to tune the core's resonance as well as the coils no? I suppose its possible he just didnt mention it but considering the risks he took to divulge the what he WAS able to tell us, I dont see any reason why he wouldnt at least mention that the cores were special in some way and then hint about how we should explore the acoustics or w/e

Further to that point - In the video where he demonstrates his large TPU there is a section of it missing where you would be able to see a solid core there (I'm at work so I cannot confirm right now but) As far as I remember, it appeared that the torroid cores were separated slightly at the point where the leads came out... Wouldnt the internal core need to be uniform about the full circumference so as to allow for the acoustics to travel - if the continuity of the internal torroid (control coils) is breached shouldnt that impeed the travel of the necessary acoustics?

Dont get me wrong though, I'm not trying to discount how effective this effect could be for harnessing energy within a TPU, I just dont want to have more complication than whats needed for TPU functionality... (at least, in my TPU anyway...)

Please correct me if I'm wrong.. I really would appreciate your input, and once again - I hope I'm not coming across as being too critical of your efforts..

Cheers,

I am not building a SM TPU, but a TPU that is based to known effects and observations and models. On the other hand, this mayby, just maybe is the same technology that SM used in his TPU.
As i know, SM never told anything more technical details about TPU, he only used words like "kicks", " squeeze the hose" " tune to magnetic frequency" etc... perhaps he has his reasons for that kind of description. I dont want to use time for that kind of quessing.. it is a never ending game.
It can be that this acoustomagnetic resonance technology is used also with SEG, and with some other devices that is claimed to produce OU effects, anyway some measurements and observations are creating effects, where acoustomagnetic resonance is detected.
To your question, does the device work, if there is a hole in a cores circumference? I think that it does not destroy the effect.

Please feel free to ask about this tecnology, it belongs to science that you can think critical way. On the other hand, you must technically claim against, why this tecnology does not work.. ;)
This way a science goes forward.

--Magnon

Phantasm

Quote from: Magnon on April 17, 2009, 11:51:01 AM
I am not building a SM TPU, but a TPU that is based to known effects and observations and models. On the other hand, this mayby, just maybe is the same technology that SM used in his TPU.
As i know, SM never told anything more technical details about TPU, he only used words like "kicks", " squeeze the hose" " tune to magnetic frequency" etc... perhaps he has his reasons for that kind of description. I dont want to use time for that kind of quessing.. it is a never ending game.
It can be that this acoustomagnetic resonance technology is used also with SEG, and with some other devices that is claimed to produce OU effects, anyway some measurements and observations are creating effects, where acoustomagnetic resonance is detected.
To your question, does the device work, if there is a hole in a cores circumference? I think that it does not destroy the effect.

Please feel free to ask about this tecnology, it belongs to science that you can think critical way. On the other hand, you must technically claim against, why this tecnology does not work.. ;)
This way a science goes forward.

--Magnon


@Magnon

Ahh ok :)

Actually I was thinking about it and you are right - even within the framework of what SM has said, there are a lot of ways this thing could be generating its output.. If you consider that SM has said that the kick comes from the interaction of the harmonic frequencies AND also he says they come from the first moment when you first allow current to flow in a wire... these are two entirely different principals of operation - though its totally possible that he is making use of both of these effects i expect other effects could be at work as well..

@ All

SM once said that the wiring closely resembled Pizeo stacks - I am still absorbing as much information as possible but I was not able to find out what a Pizeo stack is - im sure its something simple but could someone point me in the right direction?

Cheers,


Magnon

Quote from: Chef on April 17, 2009, 06:08:52 PM
Thank you. I will have to order ferrite with 2000 permeability.

I just read about the melanins, they are really interesting compounds. I really don't know where can I buy it, just checked on the net, found nothing, but I will make some research in what industry they using usually, maybe I can find somewhere locally. Anybody any idea?

Wikipedia :

"Melanins, in the synthetic sense, are "rigid-backbone" conductive polymers composed of polyacetylene, polypyrrole, and polyaniline "Blacks" and their mixed copolymers. The simplest melanin is polyacetylene, and some fungal melanins are pure polyacetylene."

http://www.panipol.fi/index51b7.html?option=content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=41

I think that it is best to use a non-conductive form of melanins, to avoid microwave absorbtion in a core.



--Magnon

otto

Hello all,

@Phantasm

No special core needed!!

In a TPU we have 2 cores. Im using copper as cores because Metglas cores are not good.
I can imagine that SM used 1 copper core + 1 Aluminium core.

Yes, the cores seperated but it depends on how you connect the collectors. In one way connected you dont have to seperate the cores and connected in the other way you have to seperate them.

If you have closed cores you have to connect the collectors in one way, if the cores are open on one end you have to connect the collectors in another way.

As you see we have a lot of options. Better said only 2 options.

Otto