Lorentz force VS Centrifugal force. WM2D simulation show overunity of infinity.

broli · February 21, 2009, 05:58:47 PM

Yeah I can feel the time is right.

Now I need to figure out how to use this concept in a practical way instead of let the mass fly off in to the abyss

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gravityblock · February 21, 2009, 06:08:12 PM

Quote from: broli on February 21, 2009, 04:24:05 PM
Won't this also cause a runaway effect? As the CF is increased, the torque gets increased this in turns increases the RPM which increases the CF and closes the loop. The motor would speed up very fast. Is there a reason why you haven't disclosed?

I believe this is the answer to the runaway affect: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6843.msg158643#msg158643

It basically says if you have 100 units of energy available in the system at any given time, then you can't get more than 100 units of energy out at any given time (Over Unity and conversion of energy in the system). If you did get more out than in (Over-Over Unity), then you would be creating and converting energy which breaks many laws of physics.

broli · February 21, 2009, 06:31:44 PM

That's a confusing view you have there my friend. I'm a simpleton and like to keep it simple. There are many semantic discussions on this forum that lead to nowhere. I'd rather want to spread this concept so people can think of better and newer things.

Btw, the centrifugal force in cyclotrons is so small it has no visible effect. Take F_cf=m_e*v^2/r where m_e is the mass of the electron at about 10^-32 kg. The force can be ignored in this case and we see a nice circular path.

gravityblock · February 21, 2009, 07:22:08 PM

@ broli:

Then I will simplify it:

Just because you put more fuel into your car doesn't mean your car will run faster, it only means it will run longer. With over unity, you can have it run forever on the same amount of fuel, but it still won't run any faster. Want it to run faster, then build a bigger and better engine or motor. You can't get more out of the system that what is available in the system.

broli · February 21, 2009, 07:29:55 PM

Quote from: gravityblock on February 21, 2009, 07:22:08 PM
@ broli:

Then I will simplify it:

You can't get more out of the system that what is available in the system. Just because you put more fuel into your car doesn't mean your car will run faster, it only means it will run longer. With over unity, you can have it run forever on the same amount of fuel, but it still won't run any faster. Want it to run faster, then build a bigger and better engine or motor.

Then I'll go for option 3.