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This must work! Altering magnetic field without cost. OU or not?

Started by Low-Q, March 07, 2009, 08:38:50 PM

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broli

Quote from: Low-Q on March 11, 2009, 06:38:42 PM
As long as the problem is 2D Femm will do.
What I miss in 2D programs is the ability to see the magnetic lines if I have for instance a ringmagnet where the poles was pointing towards center. Meaning that I cannot see the magnetic lines which is angular to the 2D surface. And Femm cannot calculate whith it then. However, In these experiments I dont need 3D.

If you have a copy of Maxwell 3D, I would like to have a copy of it too :)

Br.

Vidar



The reason why software can't do this is because this is a monopole in 2d  ;D.

Low-Q

Hi again. I have made a drawing based on the simulation in Femm. It shows all the magnets and polarization. There is small green arrows on the stator magnets that is showing which direction these stator magnets are going if the rotor goes clockwise. Again, the stator magnets DOES NOT ROTATE together with the rotor. :)
The rotor is made of a permanentmagnet and two pieces of iron.

Practical info:
Where the stator magnet is attracting angular to the rotor (directly towards the center), it will also push away the joint it is connected to.
Where the stator magnet is repelling angular to the rotor (directly away from the center), it will also pull the joint it is connected to.
"Statormagnets 1" is working opposite of "Statormagnets 2", as they are connected to each joint on the opposite side of the shaft.
Torque of the rotor is negative - means that the rotor spins clockwise. Two long green arrows shows the direction of the rotor.
The statormagnets closer to the top and bottom has acute angle to the joints angular alignment. Acute angle therfor means less counterforce. The stator magnets are also most attracted or repelled at this acute angle. So these forces has to be multiplied with the Sinus of the angle.

Example: If the attracting force towards center at 11.25 degrees are 100N*, the force acting as counterforce on the joints is:
100 x sin11.25 = 19N.
If the joint is 1 meter from the shaft, this represent 19Nm torque acting on the joint.

*The forces in Femm goes in X and Y direction. To find the force towards center you must take square root of X2 + Y2


The radius of the crankshaft is 1 meter (1 meter between the shaft and the joints), to easier calculate the torque caused by the force required to change the statormagnet positions.

This motor is therefor VERY big, but never mind the size - just focus on trying to compare the force required to alternate the statormagnets, compared to the torque of the rotor.

So you now have to consider a lot of variables, calulating vectors like z2 = x2 + y2. But also have the "Sin" function on you calculator. This is important to have some knowledge to, in order to find the exact forces working on the joints - as the magnets are positioned with different angles. They are all 11,25o apart.

You must download the Femm simulation attached. Replace the material in the statormagnets with air, except the one you want to calculate the force for. To spend less time, you can also keep the magnetic material in the stator magnet on the oposite side. IMPORTANT: Never change the rotor materials during these calculations.

I have also tried to reduce the rotor in Femm 10% - 50% - just to smooth the forces and torque to make a better calculation. Regardless of what I do with the rotor in size, the rotor spends relatively very small forces to alter the statormagnets positions in and out.

So here you go. A magnetmotor that actually works regarding torque and forces. Torque and forces accellerates mass. A mass in a given velocity represent a given kinetic energy. And that kinetic energy do I hope there is possible to extract from this motor as energy.

I'll keep dreaming, but I really need help with this last one. Anyone? I feel very alone here - the replies are few :'(

:) :) :)

Br.

Vidar

broli

Low-q the main problem is that the design is very complex to build. You need to use the same principle on something simpler. Then people might give it a try :p. There's one thing I learned lately, everyone will ignore you unless you show them a real or faked running design. I don't understand this mentality.

Low-Q

Quote from: broli on March 13, 2009, 08:41:46 AM
Low-q the main problem is that the design is very complex to build. You need to use the same principle on something simpler. Then people might give it a try :p. There's one thing I learned lately, everyone will ignore you unless you show them a real or faked running design. I don't understand this mentality.
I see. I was hoping that someone could give it an eyeball, and try to figure out how it works, if it works, why it doesn't work etc. This is a forum with hope for free energy. Ther isn't for nothing most posts and visits in this forum is related to magnet motors. So I do expect someone with a bright brain have some interests in looking at this - even if it is a simulation.

PS! I do not claim anything, I just want to know anyones opinion. As allways, I'm very sceptical to OU devices ;)

Edit: I will make a much simpler version. But the version above is complex because of all the stator magnets. It a reason why it's many, and that is to increase the number of angles to better determind the average torque of the rotor. I'll be back with a four pole sets motor - not 32 stator sets with 96 magnets in total as above. The only thing required is basicly not to let the stator magnets do anything but going in and out.

Br.

Vidar