This must work! Altering magnetic field without cost. OU or not?

[Low-Q]

Thanks for the explanation

Here is some calculations. These are based on a simpler verstion with 45 degree rotormagnet, and not 90 degrees.

There is 12 magnets in total. I have paired them as shown in the pictures below. There are 6 pictures with the 6 possible different calculations of torque, and forces. If I sum up what all the statormagnets represent in forces separately, and sum up the torque affecting the rotor in these 6 steps, I get more torque than countertorque.

For the o^o picture, only the X-force is representing the countertorque all alone.
For 30^o, and 150^o picture you calculate normally with cosinus for X and sinus for Y.
For the pictures 60^o, and 120^o the Y-force represent a countertorque equal to Y x (1 - sin60) or Y x (1 - sin120). Else normal cosinus for X.
For the 90^o picture, no forces are affecting the torque at all as it works angular to x-direction.


Here is the results for these angles separately without influence from other statormagnets.:

1. 0 degrees.
Torque = -17 650Nm
x-component: -121610 N
y-component: 565835 N
Countertorque: 121610Nm

2. 30 degrees.
Torque = -15 500Nm
x-component: 184817 N
y-component: 340430 N
Counterforce: (184817 x cos 30) + (340430 x sin 30) = 330271Nm

3. 60 degrees.
Torque = -12 800Nm
x-component: 339211 N
y-component: 186645 N
Counterforce: (339211 x cos 60) + (186645 x (1 - sin 60)) = 194611Nm

4. 90 degrees.
Torque = -475 000Nm
x-component: 580705 N
y-component: -99619.1 N
Counterforce: 0

5. 120 degrees.
Torque = -1 470 000Nm
x-component: 77815.8 N
y-component: -1.06873e+006 N
Counterforce: (77816 x cos 120) + (-1068730 x (1 - sin 120)) = -182090Nm

6. 150 degrees.
Torque = 854 000Nm
x-component: -1.04384e+006 N
y-component: 65234.4 N
Counterforce: (-1043840 x cos 150) + (65234 x sin 150) = 936608Nm

Tota torque:
(SUM:Torque 1->6) - (SUM:Countertorque 1->6)

-1136950Nm + 1103766Nm = 0

Here is the result for the last picture with all the magnets in place:
Rotor torque: -1.10836e+006 N*m
x-component: -14629.3 N
y-component: +13575.4 N

So where did the countertorque go when all the stator magnets is in place?

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Vidar

[broli]

Now that you're close to a radial field, you can inspect what I have been saying in my thread . Just put a magnet which has a magnetic field that is tangentially to the radial field, although the field is far from radial you could always try. I currently waiting on very strong neodymium magnets I bought as speaker magnets are far too weak then I'll show my little toy I have been working on.

[Low-Q]

Now that you're close to a radial field, you can inspect what I have been saying in my thread . Just put a magnet which has a magnetic field that is tangentially to the radial field, although the field is far from radial you could always try. I currently waiting on very strong neodymium magnets I bought as speaker magnets are far too weak then I'll show my little toy I have been working on.

Yes, the field is almost radial. I made a model similar to my model above, but where all statormagnets had the same distance. I put the rotor excentric inside that arrangement and the simulation didn't find any torque at all.
the difference between mine and yours is that there is allways a stronger field on one side and a weaker field on the other side of the rotor magnet. In your design there is equal magnetic field on both sides. Not that it probably would make a difference. I still believe neither mine or your design will work, but I have had some hard time finding out why my motor doesn't work Why your design doesnt work is for me quite obvious because the rotormagnet does never have a sticky spot it wants to go to.

Take a look at the design below, where all statormagnets have equal distance. The torque here is litteraly nothing even if the rotormagnet is excentric just like the designs above.

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Vidar

[broli]

Low-q stop being ignorant and educate yourself. Magnets are not electric charged dipoles. I agree with you if my idea was using charged electric dipoles then it would never work. The force causing the torque on the dipole would then be radially if we assume an electric charge was in the middle making a radial field. Then what is the difference? The difference is huge. Magnets are made of trillions upon trillions of small current loops which are said to be either orbital electron spin its axial spin. These loops all have radial TANGENTIAL forces to them this is called the Lorentz force. Whether you have one big loop (electro-magnet) or trillions of small loops (permanent magnet). The Lorentz force stays the same. When I get my neodymium magnet I'm going to prove it with an electro-magnet.

It seriously pisses me off when people act like they know what they are talking about when they are instead making fools out of their selves. If you respect my knowledge I will respect yours.

[Low-Q]

Low-q stop being ignorant and educate yourself. Magnets are not electric charged dipoles. I agree with you if my idea was using charged electric dipoles then it would never work. The force causing the torque on the dipole would then be radially if we assume an electric charge was in the middle making a radial field. Then what is the difference? The difference is huge. Magnets are made of trillions upon trillions of small current loops which are said to be either orbital electron spin its axial spin. These loops all have radial TANGENTIAL forces to them this is called the Lorentz force. Whether you have one big loop (electro-magnet) or trillions of small loops (permanent magnet). The Lorentz force stays the same. When I get my neodymium magnet I'm going to prove it with an electro-magnet.

It seriously pisses me off when people act like they know what they are talking about when they are instead making fools out of their selves. If you respect my knowledge I will respect yours.

I am verry sorry for offending you or anyone else, but what is the problem actually? I really respect your work and your aproach to magnet motors. I just said it is for me obvious that your design doesnt work - also because I actually built it yesterday to test your particular design. Wasn't it you that had these drawing of the ringmagnets with the outer rotormagnet on it?
If so, I also told you that my own design probably doesnt work too, but my lack of knowledge couldn't at the moment see why my design doesn't work. We all know that magnets are conservative, they will allways get back what they give - in one way or another. My approach is more like a quiz - find 5 errors sort of type. As I couldn't find the error that stops my design from working, I asked all you guys to maybe find out something that I have overseen. Maybe it works - I don't know really.

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Vidar