Stanley Meyer Explained

[Dog-One]

Welcome to the engineering tradeoff...

With a capacitor, the closer the plates, the higher the capacity.  Not good, since higher capacity requires more energy to raise the voltage.  Plates further apart gives us lower capacity, but it also thickens the dielectric making it more difficult to create a situation of dielectric breakdown.  So there's a sweet spot in there some place where the capacity can be overcome AND the dielectric can be forced to break down.  Pretty sure Ed knows where this ballpark is AND he knows there is a reason behind having asymmetrical plates. i.e. one plate will have a compression of charge carriers and the dielectric breakdown will initiate there.  Because scale is critical, you either have something that works or you do not, too big or too small won't cut it.  And when you have something outside the window, you have to know which way you went wrong to get back inside.  I think Ed has this pretty much worked out.  I just wish I could get him to assemble a complete genset prototype that truly runs on water, perpetually until the engine bearings and rings wash out.  And yes, most engines still require lubricant unless you can afford to have an engine plasma polished.  In the meantime, a genset that will run for six months on water is still double plus good in my books.  I can use that, right now, today.  And I'll support anyone that can deliver such an item with expected performance, cost not an obstacle.  So yeah, help me light a fire under Ed's buns and see if we can get him to focus on this.  As a mechanic, I know he can find a way.  He just needs to be a little more grassroots and not worry so much about saving the world--that may already be a lost cause.  If Ed can help out a few dozen households make it through a cold Winter, he's a champion in my eyes.  He wouldn't even have to give away all the secrets, just ship a box of partially assembled components that a purchaser could do final assembly with and away you go.

[h20power]

Hello Dog-One,


If you read through my crowdfund you will see I am trying to raise funds to make 50 10kw gen-sets running on this technology. There are rules that I have to follow as I can't just send someone something that needs to be put together when if done incorrectly can result in injury or death. As a company I have to follow the safety rules any other company has to follow. Thus I have to hire people that are licensed to work on home and business electrical systems. I must comply with the laws of the land or the company will be fined, or sued, or shut down for unsafe business practices. I will more than likely need to be UL tested or by some other standards test measuring entity and trust me those test aren't cheap.


This also goes for any vehicle conversion kits as that too must be UL tested as again if something were to go wrong and it's determined that it was my kit that resulted in someone's injury or death my company can be held liable for that. This is what I meant when I said this technology must be made safe for use. Most reading this have no idea just what it takes to sell something to the general public as far as the rules and liabilities go. Heck, even I don't know all of the rules. This is why the units I sold before went out the door as plug and play units no assembly required as the liability laws kinda suck. If someone purchased one of those units from another vendor and it wasn't assembled properly and leaked hydrogen into the cab or something and it then got ignited the company that sold it to them will more than likely be found at fault even though the individual made a mistake in assembling it. There are a lot of rules when dealing with flammable products.


The safest method seems to be the water fuel injectors but that requires some expensive machines to be able to make them. Plus don't forget Meyer never got them to actually work so not only would I someone have to build them they would also have to figure out what Meyer did wrong and solve the problem.


As for knowing what space gap to use a lot of things come into play that I am sure no one is thinking of as some of it was a surprise to even me when I found out the hard way by building it, watching it fail, and then breaking it all apart to try and figure out why it failed. When you think of this as a business you don't want to sell someone something and it only last for a month and they have to buy a new one, you know that I mean? It has to be built to last just as good as the things it will be replacing or better. From my perspective only the "Greedy" ask me for a full set of plans and instructions on this technology as to go into business with this technology one must know just how this technology actually works or you more than likely will cause someone harm or sell a product that only last for a week before it starts having problems as they more than likely wouldn't bother with any longevity testing in the field. This is the folly of the greedy as their mind is only focused on one thing, getting that money.


I hope to make you proud one day though as I am trying to do this the right way doting all the "i's" and crossing all the "t's."



Take care,
Edward Mitchell
Owner
True Green Solutions
https://gofund.me/87a49b22

[kajunbee]

If your looking for UL certification or CE to sell in Europe you may need your device EMI/EMC tested also. Aside from premature failure you don't want it to interfere with other devices nearby. Maybe not a big deal if it cause interference on a Radio. But if it causes a nearby medical device to fail then your in deep trouble. Besides emissions testing they test its withstand voltage where they zap it with thousands of volts to see if it malfunctions. You also have IP ratings that designate what environment it can safely work in. For instance IP 65 rating might be sealed enough to use outdoors where it would get rained on.
Like you said there's a myriad of things to consider when you sell to the public. If you've already considered the testing I would be interested to know what you learned.

https://www.com-power.com/blog/why-emi-emc-testing-necessary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_code

[Dog-One]

If you read through my crowdfund you will see I am trying to raise funds to make 50 10kw gen-sets running on this technology.

My bad.  I missed that last entry with the generators.  Hope I'm the only one that did.

Keep at it Ed.  Do what you can to get that prototype model running and amend your gofundme page to show it in operation.  The funds you need for the rest will follow rather quickly.  Chet may even kick-in $10K himself--he loves that water stuff.     Heck, I'll even sell my two gasoline generators and make a donation (provided the Holcomb project doesn't pan out).

So I have to ask, how are you going to decide who gets the first 50 units?  And after those are claimed, what's the plan for the next 50?  Any chance you would be willing to license distributors to help with volume?  Where I currently live, I'm certain I can find 30 customers in one week willing to buy a finished unit.

BTW, I've been tinkering with various exhaust sound suppression systems (mufflers) that would make these units amenable to running around the clock.  I would guess with the exhaust gas recirculation you would need to use anyway, these can be made to run pretty darn silent--at least as good as any common residential emergency power unit.

[h20power]

If your looking for UL certification or CE to sell in Europe you may need your device EMI/EMC tested also. Aside from premature failure you don't want it to interfere with other devices nearby. Maybe not a big deal if it cause interference on a Radio. But if it causes a nearby medical device to fail then your in deep trouble. Besides emissions testing they test its withstand voltage where they zap it with thousands of volts to see if it malfunctions. You also have IP ratings that designate what environment it can safely work in. For instance IP 65 rating might be sealed enough to use outdoors where it would get rained on.
Like you said there's a myriad of things to consider when you sell to the public. If you've already considered the testing I would be interested to know what you learned.

https://www.com-power.com/blog/why-emi-emc-testing-necessary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_code

Hello kajunbee,


You hit on a lot of things I haven't yet needed to get too, but I will have to get to those test in the future as I proceed forwards with this technology. As you can all see folks to put out a technology such as this there is a lot of things you all simply aren't thinking about right now. To make the technology safe for use has a lot of things that you will be required pass as you legalize the technology and get it safety approved. I have much to learn and a lot of money to save or raised or both to pay for all of this. Thanks for your post as it should get people thinking in the right direction about just what goes into trying to sell something to the general public especially if there is something explosive involved in the process.


For what I started off selling, which was the water fuel cell (WFC), all I had to worry about was making sure the unit was put together by me and thus take out of the equation individual error of the buyers of those WFC's. I even pressure tested each of them to make sure they could contain the hydrogen gases and not leak it into the surrounding area. They were all tested make sure they were all water tight  and air tight and that the float switches actually worked. Plus each unit came with a circulation system so that the water could be filtered or kept warm or both and a drain plug so that any contaminates that got into the system could be drained out. I went out of my way to make a quality product and it's a shame that those that rose against me where successful in bringing me down in getting the people to believe I was trying to rip them off which out ever giving the product I was selling an actual chance. I won't be selling anything like that again as I will be selling complete units or nothing at all.


It has taken me a long time to get to where I am at today with my understanding of this technology. And it appears I have much more to learn as I go about trying to bring this technology into our world to that we all can have it. For me putting individuals in full control of their own energy needs has always been the primary goal.


Again thanks for the post with links as it gives me more to think about and plan for,
Edward Mitchell
Owner
True Green Solutions
https://gofund.me/87a49b22