Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[nyctuber]

Am I the only one who's looking for broom marks on the platter?

[PainesQuest]

Shouldn't this have been verified before selling plans?

If I were Sterling, I would be investigating the visit from the NSA.  Call Mylow's attorney, identify the congressman whose secretary verified the NSA visit.

Isn't the most significant fact yielded by this likely hoax the revelation that the NSA supposedly contacted Mylow's attorney and came to Mylow's house to seize his machine?  I think the fact that the NSA believes that he had something disruptive speaks volumes.  Interview the attorney Sterling.  Track down the police officers who abandoned Mylow to the MIB after a 911 call.  Out the congressman whose secretary confirmed that the NSA is confiscating claimed overunity devices.

Even if Mylow was a hoax, if he was actually verifiably harassed by NSA then I think that is the big story and Mylow did a great service by trapping the powers that be in their act of suppression.

[miki02131]

Becoming a Con man of crackpot technology for fun and profit
http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm

how to make a living pitching free energy machines


A number of people have made a decent living ripping off (usually elderly) investors, promising they will get rich on free energy.

---- the following tips can help any charismatic salesman get lots of money and notoriety ----
� Be very careful to have any investors forfeit their right to legal action any way possible. - this can be a last minute statement to sign, often you can hide silencing terms in a nondisclosure agreement.

� Start with outrageous enough claims to filter the more skeptical people out as early as possible. But, be careful about making too many bogus scientific claims, or you may find self-righteous skeptics trying to debunk you - if this happens, tell your followers they (or any critics) are part of the conspiracy - maybe nitpick at fine points of their arguments, but don't ever respond to their main thrust.

� Claim you are not in it for the money, just to save humanity. Say you have already been offered huge sums, but want to sell it to the little guy (i.e. the gullible guy). Try to market it to older mid-western Christian farmers - they've always bought in in the past. Build excitement for something wonderful.

� Focus investors attention away from evaluating claims on technical grounds. The following distractions are recommended:

get them involved in political issues. Convince them you have some large secretive benefactor.
focus their attention on an elaborate multi-generational international conspiracy which has kept everyone pitching free energy to fail. Make your audience outraged against the conspiracy, yet empowered that they can finally overcome it by giving you money.
talk about your valiant battles with the patent office or some government bureaucracy (that always warms people up)
get into religion quick (religious people are already taught to have faith) -appear to have God on your side
get people to focus on your theory rather than measurable evidence.
claim it already has been proven so you need not offer any proof   Tell them you are done proving it and need big money to start mass production.
Write an autobiography (self-published, of course) where you can "control" the facts. When someone questions your shady past simply say, "Buy my book and learn the truth about what REALLY happened." Naive people won't question the "facts" because, after all, it's in a book.  If your book is long enough, you may mesmerize them.
�  You must focus on the big conspiracy. It's very important to make people believe in the big conspiracy - because that's your excuse for past failures, present lack of evidence, the critics, and future delays. Locking horns with bureaucrats or the scientific community can distract from your lack of evidence and get you great free press. Make people believe exciting claims of bad guys wanting to steal or bury your ideas. - then claim you will destroy your prototypes and records rather than let them fall into the hands of the bad guys.

�  Be bold, sell books, consider taking out full page ad or get on the radio. People will feel that something this out in the open can not possibly be a fly by night Con. The most successful cons are ones lasting for a few years not the quick cons.

�  Watch your target market, Go after people predisposed to believing in conspiracy theories such as the militias, JFK conspiracy, and UFO cover-up groups.

�  If you are forced to demonstrate some device, consider the following important tips: bore the skeptics right out of the room with long discourses on elementary science; claim you have some adjustments to make, yet; say it worked yesterday; run your machine for just a few seconds and move on to some other important point. - or do the Newman trick of openly hooking up input power and just promising it's less than what comes out.

�  A good final lesson, if the heat from impatient investors and public scrutiny gets too much, do what Keely did - just walk away from it all (just claim it doesn't work because the remaining people don't understand it) , and just start some new investment scheme for some other amazing claim.

�  operate from a state which is soft on fraud and organized crime.

�  Get people to pay around 20 - 100$ for "information kits" or video tapes.  Once they've paid that much, it's easier to get them to start paying more money.

�  Discourage investors from contacting each other and cover up evidence of earlier bitter investors.

�  Get followers to sell your stuff to their friends, family and churches - try multilevel schemes - promise they will get rich by commissions on getting others to invest (who cares if this destroys their friendships).

�  Be open to having newer investors buy out older more impatient investors.  Always promise a disgruntled investor that someone else will soon buy him out.

�  Don't be afraid of lawsuits, if OJ got off so can you - they can be one more excuse for delays. Most attorney generals will just bluff with a cease and desist order and then move on to someone else.

�  Don't be afraid of investors defecting, most of them will feel too stupid to go public with their story - even if some do start successful attacks on you, just say they are agents of the big conspiracy.

�  Jealously guard your list of investors, a good sucker list is worth its weight in gold and can even be sold to other con men.

�  Don't be afraid of the press, they don't usually evaluate outlandish claims, and even if they do - your audience won't likely listen.

�  Be open to 'red-lining' your investors (i.e.: tell them if they don't come up with just a little more money, they will lose it all)

�  Be ready to move to another state with corrupt or weak DA's - if you are done 'harvesting' your initial area. (i.e.: New Jersey is known as an east coast haven for the mob, prostitution and home repair scams)  Most states don’t bother to track people down across state lines.

�  If you are really bold, you could give commissions for investors to find more investors. Better to also make others responsible for building the machines - it buys you time and gives you another person to blame.
Explain complex subjects simply, (leaving out lots of details) so that the mark feels as though he understands the subject well enough to make informed decisions.

How to deal with skeptics and detractors:

There are a number of approaches to deal with self righteous people who like to point out your flaws of reason, lists of previous victims, etc. out on the internet:

Label your detractors as CIA agents, or stupid or part of the great conspiracy.
say they are unqualified unless they are experts in your crazy theory.
try to restrict your message to newsletters and limited forums where the skeptical voice can be filtered out.
in a public forum deaden the audiences interest with tons of distracting counter "information".
try to delete their pages from the search engines, or bury their objections in enough distractions to make people avoid the debate
trying threatening your detractors with lawsuits - it will make some of them shut up
give up and only try to market to people too old or stupid to get on the internet. - or try selling to the Amish or more stupid ethnic groups.
--- hope no one gets too offended by this conjecture - most of it is inspired by a neat book, "Con Men and their methods". By the way, I've gotten taken a few times myself (maybe that's why I'm fascinated by the subject) ======== this page will be live updated at http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm

The Woo-Woo Credo - how to be a general kook
pages exposing Joe Newman and  Dennis Lee who some people suspect of leading a nationwide scam.  Also, Amin, Mills (who may be legit?)  Tilley, Perendev, Bearden Lutec  Tewari. get on an email list for updates about Dennis   Tom Bearden’s MEG device A rational review of meg claims   inconsistancies in his theory  Greer’s offer  Bill Muller and questioning Bearden’s mental health  free energy scams

�  NATIONAL FRAUD INFORMATION CENTER and state attorney generals offices and investment fraud -the SEC's number is 202-942-8090

�  scambusters gives information mostly on fraud over the internet. great list of scams   FAIR's media contact list   Newspaper Links by State    E&P Media Links - Search Page

�  Consumer Sentinel: Complaints - direct form to allow people to submit complaints
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/ - a great resource of scams - their report on Dennis's operation
Prosecuting Attorneys, District Attorneys, Attorneys General & US Attorneys on the Web
Internet Fraud Complaint Center

[capthook]

But, after playing around with the Mylow thing, I came up with another idea maybe worth testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQCT5qEiPKE&feature=channel_page

Hi Dusty -

You sure are the strong (good building/thinking skills) and silent type (no extraneous commentary).....

IF a device of this type were to ever work, I would think it would require a design of the type you suggest - multiple stators.  A design that keeps the unit 'unbalanced' and provides 'propulsion' in seperate/off-set sections to get past the 'sticky spot' of the previous section.
Your video presents the idea very simply and directly.

Do you plan on trying this design?  Queue or CLaNZeR?
If so, vids of the results would be of interest.

Thanks for posting the vids Dusty and good to 'see' you again.

[nyctuber]

Bedini interview @ Mylow, HJ etc from the other thread

http://www.mininova.org/tor/2461758

Must listen.