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Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

Started by X00013, March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM

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TinselKoala

My, a lot happens while I sleep. I guess I'll have to stop doing that.

ALFPARTS, you showed a video of a train, and some other items in a certain lab, and you asked if there were questions. I asked if anything shown would close the loop, and you said, YES, the train.
I challenged you, and you finally said, well, not THAT train, the original train is in HJ's lab and Bedini kept a different train--but what it boils down to is that the answer to my question is "NO, none of them", not what you said.
You said that Tom Bearden researched the HJ motor and implied that he vetted it. I posted a direct quote from Tom himself describing the nature and duration of his "research" with HJ's rotary device which, shall we say, was a little less emphatic than your representation. I asked you how long Tom watched the motor run (I say, from Tom's own words, 15 minutes max) and you don't answer clearly. Someone else asks you how long YOU saw HJ's motor run and you don't answer at all.
You said in another earlier post that Mylow had NOT come up with 10 (or was it 11) different magnet configurations. I asked you to justify this, since by my count he HAS made that many different ones work, and you came up with the "Hail Mary Pass" of all explanations: They may look different and have different physical characteristics, but on some esoteric plane all his configurations are the same and are just like HJ's train.
You haven't come up with one shred of proof or support for your contentions, you ask for links that you could easily find for yourself (here's one for you: www.google.com , and here's another: www.youtube.com ) and you flame experienced researchers like RB "by accident", you've posted no real data of your own, and you seem to get all excited about circular SMOTs that can't even get out of their own way.
You came out of nowhere a couple weeks ago yet you are setting yourself up as a magnet motor expert, even though it is clear that you are a HJ disciple, at the very least.

Have I summarized the situation adequately?

And, instead of addressing issues, you join the flamers.

So, I have another question. Whassup witchoo, anyway?

TinselKoala

Quote from: RunningBare on May 15, 2009, 04:21:08 AM
Didn't anyone here at all notice his incorrect use of the digital calipers 2:50 into the video?, sorry guys, your replications are going to fail because Mylow did not have the capacity to think about switching the calipers to his left hand!

I noticed, all right.
I chuckled myself to sleep, thinking about all those replicators, aligning all those magnets to the one-hundredth of a millimeter, waiting for the glue to set--oops, did that one move? Have to redo it, I guess...

Well, in all fairness I think some of the replicators may not be familiar with the metric system, and don't quite realize just what a hundredth of a millimeter really is. Let's see: One millimeter is about 0.040 inch. So one tenth of a millimeter is about 0.004 inch. And one hundredth of a millimeter (as in "The gap is 15.16 millimeters here") is about 0.0004 inch. Four ten-thousandths of an inch.
Now, if your replication has magnets that are 15.15 mm, or 15.17 mm apart, will your replication be "exact" enough to work?
Well, OK, good luck. I have some experience working with close tolerances. You'll need it.

(I wonder what that is in RCHs?  ;)  )


TinselKoala

Quote from: nyctuber on May 15, 2009, 06:50:30 AM
No woosie here. Just alot of failed attempts, and now a failed attempt with i-d-e-n-t-i-c-a-l- magnets/ platter.  Queue is no dummy, enough is enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRAWaEorLbk&feature=channel_page

So, instead of "Skeptics make inaccurate replications" the true headline is more like "Accurate replications make Skeptics"?

Maybe queue got one of his magnets a few hundredths of a millimeter out of position. They are tricky things, you know, magnets: each one has to be handled as a sensitive individual or they won't cooperate. Sort of like magnet motor builders, in fact.


EDIT: I just checked the comments on Q's excellent vid. Do you note that his blank disk, without magnets, takes 21 minutes, that's twenty-one minutes, to run down from 200 rpm? That's longer than most "working" magnet motors have been observed to work continuously, even HJ's original rotary device. Even Mylow's magic motors.

But he is already being accused of not getting the dimensions right. Is a 17 3/8 inch disk significantly different from an 18 inch disk, enough to make it not run? Is a 0.01 millimeter discrepancy in magnet position enough to make it not run? Apparently. "Please reposition the magnets and try again" says a commenter, who clearly has never glued a magnet to a disk and has no idea what a hundredth of a millimeter is.

Or maybe there's another reason it doesn't run.


Bobbotov

Quote from: TinselKoala on May 15, 2009, 07:39:46 AM
So, instead of "Skeptics make inaccurate replications" the true headline is more like "Accurate replications make Skeptics"?

Maybe queue got one of his magnets a few hundredths of a millimeter out of position. They are tricky things, you know, magnets: each one has to be handled as a sensitive individual or they won't cooperate. Sort of like magnet motor builders, in fact.


EDIT: I just checked the comments on Q's excellent vid. Do you note that his blank disk, without magnets, takes 21 minutes, that's twenty-one minutes, to run down from 200 rpm? That's longer than most "working" magnet motors have been observed to work continuously, even HJ's original rotary device. Even Mylow's magic motors.

But he is already being accused of not getting the dimensions right. Is a 17 3/8 inch disk significantly different from an 18 inch disk, enough to make it not run? Is a 0.01 millimeter discrepancy in magnet position enough to make it not run? Apparently. "Please reposition the magnets and try again" says a commenter, who clearly has never glued a magnet to a disk and has no idea what a hundredth of a millimeter is.

Or maybe there's another reason it doesn't run.

You are like watching the only sober guy in a room full of drunks.