Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

[markdansie]

@Chet
it is good to see another person like rick experimenting. He has the same problem we all do to overcome...ye olde cogging point. The movement he generates now is through his hand actions. i have seen one run self starting for 12 minutes just with the action of bringing the stator in. However when you have a fixed stator they always slow down
Countless attempts have been made to use mechanical and electrical devices to overcome this, but the energy used always exceeds the enrgy generated.
Perhaps with the many dozens of people who choose to experiment we will have a solution one day that don't require fishing line.
Then when we do get there the great question ..will the magnets degauus?. We can theorise about that but until we get there we will not know for sure.
Mark

[ellubpt]

Lightrider,

Excellent work. This leads me to believe that prior to each acceleration in the video, Mylow moves the camera,and himself (co-incidentaly of course) closer to the device not allowing for any observation of the disc. This would allow for it to be manipulated in some way causing the acceleration.

Now, what about the video titled "still running"?
In that video Mylow walks into the room with the unit spinning away, pans both sides of the room and does not zoom in on the unit while it spins on the dresser. Is there a wind down in RPM?
Does the distance and resolution hide evidence of a device from under the pillows on the bed?
He seems very confident and relaxed in the video, confident as he was with the table top videos which were shown to have a wire attached.No shaky fumbling with the camera, no out of focus zooming.
Was this the first implementation of the motor drive?

I also noticed the stator was mounted to the right side of the motor in this video, toward the bed.(pillows).

If he previewed his videos, he would be making sure that the naked eye could detect no wires, as was the case with the living room videos. Only hi res with aspect variations found it. I could see how he would become confident and cocky that it was beyond detection as long as the only required proof of running a motor was a you tube video.
For example, always an excuse for physical examination. Some pretty far out ones at that.

[Bobbotov]

Bob

I have walked along path's most traveled [by me] and been surprised many times by something new

Here is a man like none I have seen [in his dedication to open source and affordability],who has built a test bed that is wonderful

The possibilities jump right out of the picture

Chet

It appears very compelling and that is the seduction isn't it? With just a little tweak here and a little tweak there it seems that the illusive is ultimately obtainable. But at some point it becomes like Zeno's paradox. Always approach but never reaching. In fact it is the very definition of the word "tantalizing," which comes from the Greek story of Tantalus:

"Tantalus's punishment, now proverbial for temptation without satisfaction (the source of the English word "tantalizing") was to stand in a pool of water beneath a fruit tree with low branches. Whenever he reached for the fruit, the branches raised his intended meal from his grasp. Whenever he bent down to get a drink, the water receded before he could get any."

All who seek the perpetual find that it rests in the pursuit and not the desired outcome.

So that there is no confusion I am not trying to dissuade but make an observation about the process that I have seen repeated numerous times. Apparently some fundamental aspect is misunderstood and that serves as the impasse. How does one overcome this stubborn impasse if it is even possible? If it is impossible then all experiments will fail logically. If it is possible then that one magic combination of components has never been achieved or sustained. The result is the same though: it doesn't work. So back to the drawing board once again. Then this all becomes a test of personal stamina doesn't it?

So like Tantalus it remains a curse rather than a blessing: the closer it appears you get the further away, in fact, you end up.

[TinselKoala]

@LightRider:
Wonderful work on the acceleration graphs.
I have to put in my 2 cents worth on the interpretation:
Based on my experiments with my instrumented wheel, accelerations that come from Mr. Hand simply spinning the wheel (by the edge or the axle) result in much steeper slopes than are shown in the accelerations on LR's graph. In my tests the accelerations from Mr. Hand happen in under a second, typically, while those in LR's graph are on the order of 5 - 7 seconds, apparently.
I conclude that the graph may actually reveal the signature of a slipping drive belt, and the accelerations are when Mylow re-tightens the setup, which keeps slipping. Holding that big motor on the bed with a pillow, maybe? Cat jumping on the bed?
I dunno. But I do know that it is really difficult to accelerate the disk _slowly_ by hand.

[jibbguy]

Bobbotov,
That's a pretty good explanation of many scientific endeavors in the mainstream, up until the breakthrough happens