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Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

Started by X00013, March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM

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Yucca

Quote from: RunningBare on May 16, 2009, 12:31:24 PM
You really should get knowledge on the term "closed mind", this forum is full of it, and it does not come from the skeptics, you are a fine example, you refuse to even accept the possibility that Mylow is a fake, why?, that is a closed mind.

I second that!

But I can empathise how there might be a certain comfort to ignoring logic in order to keep those endorphins flowing, those poor wretched souls!

lumen

@Yucca
QuoteBut the overall sinusoid function of the observed velocity/time graph is so very telling. We're seeing hard acceleration when the rotor is at the other side of the disk, farthest away from the stator, please explain! Give me a combination of rotor stator interaction forces and/or forces due to an unbalanced and unlevel disk that would fit this signiature, I'm all ears.

I just gave you a post with the very same graph you believe concludes it not working with an explanation of exactly why to could get the same graph even if it was working.

Maybe if you weren't all ears and had some eyes too.......
(Yea some bad humor)

Bobbotov

Quote from: wattsup on May 16, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Why. Because nothing will open a closed mind but the closed mind. What you want to learn is why it is fake.

Maybe you should read some Karl Popper:

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/popper_falsification.html

Scientific theories are tested through a process called falsification.

wattsup

@RB

Sorry but I will have to disagree. My first stance was one of skepticism due to the wheel base not being taken apart. Then it was taken apart and still showed to work. There is nothing concrete in all the pages on this thread that can fully support the notion that Mylow is a fake. NOTHING after 321 pages of all sorts of this and that, name calling, you name it, nothing in the collection of items supporting this is fake can stand up on its own. On the other side, Mylow has done more then enough to show it is real. He has gone above and beyond what anyone else has every shown on their device. So yes, I am a believer because I trust my own intellect, power of observation and also my logically thinking says this guy wants to show us something new. That's what this forum is for.

I have debunked my fair share of fakes on this forum so I do not need a tutorial on how to detect or observe. When something is fake, there is always a way to see it. But in Mylows case, aside form attacking normal things, no one here is able to show this to be a fake. Guys are just grabbing at straws because this is just too much to accept. Understandable but eventually, very tiring.

I think I have also done my fair share of observations on many other devices including the TPUs to have honed some level of skill in this area.

If you want to prove it is a fake, then go home, do your hours and hours and hours of homework and come back with a totally convincing, well founded and well explained argument of why it is a fake. Don't just come here, fly a graph and shout it's fake. Man.

Cripes I have already learned more about magnets with Mylow then I would have alone. So just there, I consider myself having GAINED something and not having lost something.

TinselKoala

Quote from: lumen on May 16, 2009, 12:44:16 PM
@Yucca
I just gave you a post with the very same graph you believe concludes it not working with an explanation of exactly why to could get the same graph even if it was working.

Maybe if you weren't all ears and had some eyes too.......
(Yea some bad humor)

Unfortunately your explanation is not a good one. Yucca's explanation (and mine) is much better and does not fall to Occam's Razor like yours does. In addition, Yucca's explanation can be tested by anyone with a testbed, whether or not it "works". If the forces that are accelerating the disk are coming from the magnets, they must logically be related to the distance the magnets are apart.
Unless you want to make up some new physics...
So whether the forces are attractive or repulsive, the real forces from the magnets can be detected and displayed by these graphing techniques, and can be subtracted from the remaining forces which are causing the disk to accelerate. 
If the data is good, and it appears that it is, the conclusion is really inescapable: the forces accelerating the disk are not coming from the magnet interactions, OR some new physics must be invoked to explain why, when the visible forces that ARE coming from the magnets aren't enough and are timed wrongly to cause acceleration, the magnets still are causing acceleration. That's just too much of a reach.
But as I've said before, not everybody has the skill or training or easy facility with spatial relationships to be able to understand graphs. Even if they think they do. And this is a fact from cognitive psychology that has peer-reviewed empirical support, so don't go getting all huffy and upset.