Dissociation of the Water Molecule

[Dave45]

@Loner
   Your a man with insight and I would like to hear more.

[CrazyEwok]

ok first a link
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/21011

Recently, it was discovered that the near infrared spectrum and refractive index of water can be affected by a strong magnetic field. Some researchers have suggested that the magnetic field somehow strengthens hydrogen bonds, but the exact mechanism behind these results remains a mystery.

now whith that quote in mind and what we know of how magnetic fields are formed with current flow (amps). now look at convention cells. Massive amps are used. Magnetic fields are created from the flow of electrons. The strength of the magnetic field is directly proportional to the amount of electron movement.
So if (please note that it is an IF not a set thing) magnetic fields strengthen the hydrogen bonds this would show why Meyers was onto something with HV. Now everyone that is looking into this tech knows that Meyers used HV at low amps and it was thought that it was simply the Pulsing sequence that was his magic formula. If it was the frequency then wouldn't the same frequency at high amps work too? but if you throw in that magnetic fields STRENGTHEN the bonds of hydrogen then you need to excite and attract the molecules without strengthening their bonds... Seeing as Voltage is simply potential and amps is the current (very simplified!!!) then there should be large gains from using higher voltage at the same watts/joules. as there is less magnetic field generated... SHOULD

[ramset]

Loner
Test results from your hands and mind, are like manna from heaven!!
Chet

[Farrah Day]

Loner, I personally have no problem with quantum physics and I enjoy your insights.

I’m always prepared to step outside of the classical physics box.  I guess it’s just that I like to keep one foot inside the box so I can be quickly pulled back should I get sucked into a trans-dimensional worm hole! 

Just to keep things within a visualised frame for the moment, we all know that drawing a heavy current through a standard electrolyser causes water to dissociate. But if - as I suspect is generally accepted to be the case - that this current simply serves to cause water to ionise due to electric field fluctuations created by simple ionic movement - collisions, near misses, etc (yes, brute force) - then this heavy current is surely not itself required.

So, assuming then that it is an active electric (or derivative) field that promotes the ionisation of water, and that by pulsing voltages across water we can promote some really good ionisation, what then is the next step…?

Well with the standard electrolyser, we have the electrodes within the cell to not only provide the voltage to create electric fields, but also to allow the ions of water to pick up or drop off electrons. So it would seem that the logical thing to attempt to do would be to provide a way of creating electric fields, and so ionisation, but then not also using the voltage source as the charge exchange mechanism.

OK, after giving this some thought, if we completely insulate two electrodes and pulse high dc voltages across the them, we will get no current flow and no gas, but still should have all these hydrogen (hydronium) and hydroxyl ions, there for the taking.  That said, ionisation is an endothermic reaction, so we must assume, even without current flow through the solution, that we are using some energy to initiate the process â€" hence we should expect some power dissipation from the cct.

The big problem is how do we make use of these ions… how do we provide these ions with the opportunity to drop and collect charges, and so evolve as gas, without creating a current flow through the cct…?

Well, here’s an interesting thought â€" at least it is to me…

We provide the ions with a means of exchanging charges that does not interfere with the high dc voltage pulsing cct itself.  How?

We provide a conductive path outside of the solution, with additional electrodes that sit within the solution â€" a simple ion exchange bridge, whereby the ions can exchange charges with each other.

It seems almost too simple… and I’ve not yet tried this, so might well be overlooking some obvious flaw here… but…

What if the main insulated electrodes are, say one inch apart, and we place numerous ss rods (or maybe an ss mesh), just in front of each insulated electrode… and then electrically connect these inner electrodes together via a conductive bridge outside of the solution.  Presumably, being close to the electrodes, each rod  (or mesh) would be sitting within a region of high ion density within solution, but one amongst the +ve ions and the other amongst the â€"ve ions.

Do you see where I’m going with this…? 

The high voltage applied to the main insulated outer electrodes would be doing all the ionising, but using very little power, while the additional inner electrodes are electrically bridged to allow the ions to exchange charges, independently of the main pulsing cct - effectively at no energy cost.

Similar, if you like to the two sides of a floating plate in a standard electrolyser.

For it to work, and for the inner electrodes not to be influenced by the voltage potentials of the insulated outer electrodes, we could have the inner electrodes electrically disconnected during the dc voltage pulse, but then connect between pulses.  The inner set of electrodes would be flipping on and off in time but 180 deg. out of sync. with the main outer electrode voltage pulses.

Could it work… would it work… or am I having a bad day?

Loner… have you ever tried anything like this?

[ramset]

Loner
long posts?? We read them on the edge of our seats ,wishing for a novel

Chet