Dissociation of the Water Molecule

[Farrah Day]

The quote from the curious Texan is odd to say the least, given that the sodium and chlorine are independent ions in water and so not bonded anyway. 

Does not tell us anything of any value does he. I'd love to know how he explains how we get from ions to evolved gas - which of course is where the whole mystery of this process lies!

I'd guess that the curious Texan is non-the wiser and still just a curious as we are.

[Farrah Day]

Don't know if you've seen this patent, but this is what I'm currently experimenting with.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4599158

My coil is wound on a 4" soil pipe cap end. I'm using 0.75mm enamelled copper wire.  Not sure how long a length I wound, but it has a dc resitance of 7 ohms.  I still as yet need to cut up some small ss plates.

I figure that 0.75mm should be good for a couple amps continuous and at least 5 amps peak or pulses.

Just to check out the magnetic field my coil assembly could produce, I placed a white ceramic tile on top of it and sprinkled tiny bits of steel wool.

I switched on the PSU and even with just a couple of volts, the bits of steel wool immediately and quite visibly got into formation. Flicking the voltage up and down saw the steel wool dancing about quite impressively. I could clearly follow the lines of magnetism as some larger strands of the steel wool stood on end, effectively giving me a 3D image.

The magnetic field, even at only a few amps seems quite strong, and hopefully will be potent enough for forthcoming tests. 

Interestingly a 50mm x 8mm neodynium rod magnet standing on it's end 6" from the coil assembly was easily knocked over by the resulting magnetic field as I flicked the power up and down.

If you read through the patent, you will find that the crucial reaction - that is going from ionisation to evolved gas - is missing... as always seems to be the case. It's seems to me that it's all about find this one missing link.

[newbie123]

Quote from Curious Texan... "The Kanzius discovery had been replicated at Penn State University by Professor Emeritus Rustum Roy.  According to Roy, the energy released is the result of the specific radio frequency of the Kanzius machine weakening the bonds between sodium and chloride, and hydrogen and oxygen..."

Rustum Roy is not a very reliable source, imo.  The "scientific" article he wrote (in  a tiny journal .. that he publishes)  offers no useful information at all... And cites local news channels, which is pretty funny..  Anway,  I sent him an email a month ago  and got nothing out of him except a link to his crappy article...  Someone else should try.   Here is his email:     rroy    at    psu.edu  ..   


I guess this is a Kanzius replication attempt (?)  .. Doesn't really look like it though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEL97jBM-eQ&feature=related

[jibbguy]

Where is the basis for doubting the reality of the Kanzius phenomena? There are no valid ones: Other than "personal opinions" that it "can't be". Meanwhile there is documented proof that it happened.

Besmirching a man like Dr. Kanzius after his death (.... Saying this is false after reading his Paper on the subject is the same as calling him a "Liar")... Is utterly disgusting.

He was a man who dedicated the last years of his life to Mankind, who made significant discoveries in both anti-cancer medicine and alternative energy... And his memory does not deserve this treatment.

He proved that 13.56 MHz RF can disassociate seawater... Whether some here like it or not.

And as for it being efficient, a flame that burns at 4,000 Deg F will heat a water vessel with heat exchanger rather nicely..... So it won't take much input power efficiency at all to beat "Faraday efficiency"; verses a standard electrical resistive element. The system they devised for this at the Erie, PA lab was not designed to be efficient: It was an open-air demonstrator.

Why this technique has not been pursued farther yet, is another story... One that deserves looking into closely.

Closing this system up with a well shielded box containing a non-conductive chamber or pipe carrying the seawater between two close-coupled, resonant "antenna / electrodes" on either side could be a much more energy efficient solution. There are RF systems out there now in industry for many applications; the main difference here would be the frequency... Which, BTW, "13.56 MHz" is the same F range now assigned to packaging "RFID" tags and transeivers... A researcher could possibly get an RFID "station" from a warehousing supply company (they start at about $300), and use that as the oscillator front-end, with an amplifying output stage added.

By all accounts, Dr. Kanzius did not even wish to pursue this technology; it was secondary to his goal of curing cancer. 

[newbie123]

Where is the basis for doubting the reality of the Kanzius phenomena? There are no valid ones: Other than "personal opinions" that it "can't be". Meanwhile there is documented proof that it happened.

Here is the basis..     

Nobody has replicated the experiment /phenomena   (whether you like it or not.. Replications are the proof to the rest of the world)  .. I haven't  found anything valid as of now...  Do you know of any?

Besmirching a man like Dr. Kanzius after his death (.... Saying this is false after reading his Paper on the subject is the same as calling him a "Liar")... Is utterly disgusting.

I shouldn't doubt someone's claims  because they're dead?

He was a man who dedicated the last years of his life to Mankind, who made significant discoveries in both anti-cancer medicine and alternative energy... And his memory does not deserve this treatment.

He proved that 14.56 MHz RF can disassociate seawater... Whether some here like it or not.

Apparently  proof to you is watching something on Youtube,  or the media trying to hype something up, or in a little article with 0 useful information?    Or even, "He seems like a good guy", so it must be true?

Proof is in the replications! Period! 

Heck, I'm not even saying he didn't do it..     I'm open minded about it at this point...  But  I am  saying more is required to PROVE to the world,  that it is a real phenomena, and I have doubts...     To totally believe it at this point is just naive.

And as for it being efficient, a flame that burns at 4,000 Deg F will heat a water vessel with heat exchanger rather nicely..... So it won't take much input power efficiency at all to beat "Faraday efficiency"; verses a standard electrical resistive element. The system they devised for this at the Erie, PA lab was not designed to be efficient: It was an open-air demonstrator.

Why even speculate about efficiency  at this point?  And who cares about efficiency?   If you can replicate this experiment, you will have a previously unknown way to  disassociate water... (which would be fascinating) ..   And even help support Kanzius's experiment/claim..  You would probably even make national news! The media would love this story (again).