Resonnant circuits in cascade.

[magnetoelastic]

Utility companies occasionally burn up transformers from phenomenon called
ferroresonance. This is covered in Basic Oscillators by Gotlieb. Under certain circuit conditions, steel likes to
resonate at twice the input frequency, also it expands and contracts like a piezo. It also picks up harmonics of
the fundamental and that causes a power surge within a whole range of frequencies, not just one, that smokes
the transformers. Yes that's free energy, more than we put in.

Have you ever seen this?  It does occur, because of magnetostriction of the steel when the transformer is overdriven, but stops AS SOON AS THE 60 Hz IS REMOVED.  The power surge occurs because the core saturates, but the power comes FROM THE GENERATOR SUPPLYING THE VOLTAGE.  There is NO FREE ENERGY here, otherwise the heating of the core would continue without the voltage applied.

[magnetoelastic]

There are radio experts who just can't grasp secondaries-parallel tanks in cascade.

Yes, and they are unemployed because they can't make their transmitters work properly.

[thrival]

magnetoelastic: (you said)

Yes, and they are unemployed because they can't make their transmitters work properly.

Then they are hardly experts.

If that is true, then why isn't there infinitely more power in a 60 Hz signal than in DC?

Not infinitely, it relates to both power input AND frequency. Please; there are plenty of references out there that relate
power to frequency.

Some of Faraday's and Henry's earliest experiments with inductors were constructed like this - with a donut shaped coil of
copper stitched around by fine iron wire to make a torus.  There is nothing of any significance at the ends of the iron/steel wire,
because the magnetic flux would rather leak between adjacent turns of the iron/steel than between the ends.

Gee, I thought magflux preferred iron to air at least 100:1. And it loves COPPER almost as much. Neither am I certain from your
description or lack thereof, that the experiment(s) are the same. (Not discouraged.)

Have you ever seen this?  It does occur, because of magnetostriction of the steel when the transformer is overdriven, but stops
AS SOON AS THE 60 Hz IS REMOVED.  The power surge occurs because the core saturates, but the power comes FROM THE
GENERATOR SUPPLYING THE VOLTAGE.  There is NO FREE ENERGY here, otherwise the heating of the core would continue
without the voltage applied.

First off, the transformer doesn't necessarily need to be overdriven from a power stand-point for ferro-resonance to occur.
Second, the excess is above and beyond what the source is supplying, but seems to originate in the ferro core material itself.
(Although air-core transformer coils can smoke too, if the power levels exceed the component's ability to carry, AT RESONANCE.)
There are a few tutorials on the web written for utility engineers, to deal with the problem. Even THEY don't claim to know
where the extra surge comes from so I'm curious where you get your information. But given what we do know, I'd say
the excess current is from transients (harmonics of) the fundamental signal, which should teach you something about waves.
We have NO INTENTION of removing our input signal. We are interested in getting more energy out than we put in, not
"something from nothing;" (please read carefully because they are not the same thing.) Rigorously, it's pretty hard to start
with nothing anyway, since physics has proven that the universe (even empty space) is full of "stuff." There's some oscillations
even at absolute zero, and every circuit even lacking a power source, is being hit by white noise/background radiations. You
need to update your paradigms. Seems like you have some pretty purist and anal definitions of what "free" (as in free energy)
means. Freedom is a condition. It needs some-thing to apply the condition to. Nothing (no-thing) is a non-entity to which the
condition of freedom would make no sense. Free energy is energy unbound, zipping about, able to be collected any number of
ways, by collectors, antennaes, induction, resonance, etc.

[Elvis Oswald]

Both of you guys are right to a degree... and basically agree.   It's the language and the terms that get everyone miixed up.  Like the earlier post arguing about voltage vs power vs energy...   But with electronics, the basic theory is full of crazy shit that makes no sense.
i.e. - calling negative charge "negative" just because it was the accepted term at the time.
And - does current flow from - to + or reversed?  Depends on whether you use conventional flow or electron flow.  And actually there is a force coming from either both directions - or neither, if we believe Bearden.

A/C will have less total power than DC at a given voltage... cause DC is 0Hz A/C.  A DC generator is composed of multiple coils that each give a cycle of power - combining these pulses in series creates a constant flow.
It makes sense that higher frequency would have more power... but I will defer to someone with math skills, or until I can study at it myself.
The one thing I think is certain though, is that higher frequency translates into a faster change in voltage... and that means more current on your capacitor.  So higher frequency would seem a better choice on the surface.

However... IF there is an aether... and if it can be tapped by resonating at 12Hz...  then a higher frequency would just be a harmonic and would provide less voltage... right?  But.... by using the lower frequency we would get more of the signal... so this is still something that has to be considered.

About the steel wire... while it is true that magnetic fields prefer metal to the air...  but it is not going to flow out of the end of the steel and into the iron core.  But you would get some magnetic field into the core from the steel being around it.  But I would think it would just be a redistribution and not help.
But... the configuration is still a curiousiity.  Being would in a coil itself - without the additional iron core... would it's magnetic field become stronger?  Is there such a thing as magnetic induction??
I think it would be a good experiment.  Especially using some material in the core and around the coil that would shield magnetic fields.
Or at least a core of that material, and a secondary of just copper around the outside.

As far as the cause of transformers burning up... I'd say no one knows for sure.    Tesla said it was so... and Einstein said it could not be ruled out... and now quantum mechanics requires it.  Considering what the aether would do to the oil industry... no wonder people who ordinarily resist change were so quick to accept that aether was just a fairy tale.

I appreciate all the posts in this thread.  Sometimes I am glad to hear someone correct me.    But I will always reserve the right to be skeptical until I see it for myself.

[thrival]

Elvis:

Higher the frequency at a common V/I input, the greater the power out. E = hf (where h is Planck's constant
and f is the frequency.) You can see and prove it for yourself another way by simply CASCADING RESONANT STAGES (parallel
resonance) IF you do it correctly. It's not rocket science but it CAN power ...starships. Resonance gain is very well documented
in radio electronics, toasted transformers is proof. A parallel resonant tank has the HIGHEST INPUT IMPEDANCE at resonance;
in other words, you can BARELY squeeze any power in! AND YET the parallel resonant tank coil/transformer WILL SMOKE if
under-rated, due to the VERY HIGH power levels oscillating through it, which are "several orders of magnitude", i.e. FAR GREATER
than input. That IS your documented proof, you can find it yourself, in textbooks, on the web. THAT IS your proof of... magnetic
induction. I told you how and why. "No free lunch" crowd will continue poking at it with a stick. If you're waiting for someone to show
you, don't hold your breath; I see through people's motives, don't care enough what people think to show anybody. That's not how
discovery happens. You need to prove it for yourself. You have to understand that big egos simply can't handle missing something so
simple; it threatens their high-priest status., not to mention the nuclear & fossil fuel industry. They've had plenty of time to discover
what's right under their noses. Consider that they have a vested interest NOT TO SEE certain things. Egotism isn't just a form, but
the cause of... insanity. That and laziness will prevent a person from learning anything. No pity here.


You said:

About the steel wire... while it is true that magnetic fields prefer metal to the air...  but it is not going to flow out of the end of the
steel and into the iron core.  But you would get some magnetic field into the core from the steel being around it.  But I would think it
would just be a redistribution and not help. But... the configuration is still a curiousiity.  Being would in a coil itself - without the
additional iron core... would it's magnetic field become stronger?  Is there such a thing as magnetic induction?? I think it would be a
good experiment.  Especially using some material in the core and around the coil that would shield magnetic fields.
Or at least a core of that material, and a secondary of just copper around the outside.

I'm not sure you get my configuration, intent or objective but that's fine either way. You're asking questions the answers to which
are obvious and easy to find. I wouldn't recommend magnetic shielding though; that'll just suck flux that you otherwise want to
concentrate in the steel wire core itself. What you want is HIGHLY CONCENTRATED, HIGH PRESSURE magnetic flux coming out your
steel wire. As with copper coils, intuition and common sense would suggest, is related to thickness, permitivity, number of turns.