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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

@AquariuZ,

QuoteAll I ask you to accept is ... that he has found something, and that he is on the level.

On what grounds are you asking us to accept that he has found something let alone that whatever you think he has found is remotely noteworthy?

ramset

Aquariuz
Thank you for bringing this to our attention

Big names involved

Dutch gov't involved

Thanks for researching and sharing

looking forward to more news on this

Chet


Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

AquariuZ

I might as well start guessing.

Racking my brain reading the clues over the past few days this is my initial try... The weights are connected via bars like the things used in weightlifting (Dutch: "Halter"). The wheel consists of two layers with slots. The halters effectively connect the two wheel layers... To get the "D" type action, some form of static barrier must be placed between the two wheel layers, which will stop the bars connecting the weights from going past the six o clock position, effectively pushing the welter in an upward motion, shot putting the halter (two weights connected with a steel bar) from the six o clock position into the twelve o clock position on the other side. Pow. The halter lands between twelve and one o clock and falls into place where gravity takes a hold.

There are 16 slots on each wheel, each "Tube" has two slots, one halter per tube so a total of 8 halters for the system.

Here a quick wm2d model I made, yes, it is full of errors but hopefully you will see what I am trying to say. This is the view from one side, you should see the spheres as only one part of the halter. I have made only 8 slots, as the full 16 would be too intensive for now. Funny thing is that the slots look somewhat like boots (as in the video).

Model download http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=yz59m4y7wqd

It is 1.34Mb zipped.

Needless to say the barrier stops the weights in this model whereas in the real model the bar connecting the weights would be stopped. For motion display purposes I use a motor at -0.20 rad I would not dare to presume to create an entire working model of the actual system because this is simply not possible with this software.

Hopefully I will be able to make a more complete view soon. Looking forward to suggestions.

Edit: this is what I mean with halter, it is a dumbbell weight

Omnibus

Aside from the fact that the video provides no information as to the essence of the claim, it contains something else curious. There’s an expert invited to assess the claim who ends his statement quite accommodatingly with “we physicists never say never”. This caught my attention, as an unusually soft statement â€" this is in front of a tv camera after all -- from the viciously adversarial world of the physics community towards anything remotely resembling perpetuum mobile (some may recall the report on my visit to the physics department in Oslo university after seeing Reidar Finsrud’s perpetuum mobile).

So, the apparent air of open-mindedness made me decide to see if it would be possible to set up a meeting with this honorable colleague and I looked up in a search engine to find out who prof. Eric Bergshoeff is. As it turns out, appropriately so from societal point of view, the tv station had invited an university professor whose main scientific interest has been, in essence, the nature of gravity, as can be seen from the list of his 135 peer-reviewed publications: http://www.bergshoeff.fmns.rug.nl/publ.pdf . So far so good. A closer inspection of the papers, however, reveals that all prof. Bergshoeff has dealt with during obviously all his career has been to apply the general theory of relativity (GTR).

I don’t know what Sjack Abeling has done and prof. Bergshoeff doesn’t know either. Therefore, we wouldn’t be able to discuss anything regarding Sjack Abeling perpetuum mobile should the good professor agrees to a meeting with me.

However, I know very well that general theory of relativity is an invalid theory because the theory which it is a continuation of, the special theory of relativity, is a categorical failure. Thus, what would really make sense to talk about during a meeting with prof. Bergshoeff is to show him that he has wasted all his time up until now in pursuing chimeras in physics. And that will be true even if there are contributions in prof. Bergshoeff’s papers to pure mathematics because pure mathematics as an end in itself is not a subject matter of pursuit in a physics department. This would be even worse to tell a professor in academia concerned about his career than trying to persuade him that perpetuum mobile is real (which it is, regardless of the outcome from Sjack Abeling experiment).

On the other hand, no matter how polite I would be during such a meeting it would be immoral if I did not state clearly what I stated above. Maybe even add that he should probably go back to the tv station and apologize that his expertise on gravity is based on a bogus theory which he has believed all his life but now has found is fallacious. That would be the day! Such behavior is only up to exceptional people of historical significance and I really don’t know how close to that prof. Bergshoeff is.

So, we are in a bad shape. On the one hand we have a whole department (center): http://www.rug.nl/natuurkunde/onderzoek/instituten/ctn/organisatie/index full of bright people who with full certainty are wasting their time 100% while the society perceives them as reliable scientists. On the other hand we have the likes of Sjack Abeling, more of a gold-digger than anything else (why otherwise the games he is playing), who may be onto something while hiding in his barn. The former is institutionalized provable nonsense, the latter a betting game. We are really in a bad shape.

Grimer

Quote from: Omnibus on April 07, 2009, 01:05:57 AM
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However, I know very well that general theory of relativity is an invalid theory because the theory which it is a continuation of, the special theory of relativity, is a categorical failure. Thus, what would really make sense to talk about during a meeting with prof. Bergshoeff is to show him that he has wasted all his time up until now in pursuing chimeras in physics. And that will be true even if there are contributions in prof. Bergshoeff’s papers to pure mathematics because pure mathematics as an end in itself is not a subject matter of pursuit in a physics department. This would be even worse to tell a professor in academia concerned about his career than trying to persuade him that perpetuum mobile is real (which it is, regardless of the outcome from Sjack Abeling experiment).
...

That's fighting talk Omnibus - Give to 'em, hot and strong.  ;D
(Needless to say, I agree with you Babcat's 110%  :o )
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