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Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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persume

Quote from: mrsean2k on April 12, 2009, 12:34:27 PM
Hi Persume,

This is just what I was thinking following the discussion about Henkel's involvement. Henkel can be involved in the project without endorsing a particular application of the product it supplies.

If I was asked to design a database to handle a capacity at a certain rate, I'd do it and supply it to a customer. I'd certainly be "seriously involved" in the project, but if the customer decides this database is to be used to build a self-aware computing system, I'm not making any comment on whether or not the goal feasible, and I'm not exploiting the customer by taking on the commission. Who am I to say what the customer should or shouldn't spend their money on?

I can supply what's been asked of me, both with a clean conscience and with my critical faculties intact. I'd also be perfectly happy to go public about it. If my database performs according to the specification asked and the customer's satisfied, it's a ringing endorsement of my service, nothing to do with the ambitions of the customer.

This applies to *almost* every consumer / supplier relationship.

Cheers

S

HI S,
Your right. I can't fathom why there are those who immediately assume the invention must be true, or the inventor is on the up and up, just because the inventor has other companies names on his site. Your points are well taken and are what I was trying to get across.
Thanks.

mondrasek

Well, from what I can see, we have no "spectacular event" taking place that would add energy to spin this wheel, or to use less energy to raise the weights than is available due to the falling weights.

When you bring a weight on a spinning wheel inwards towards the axle, you must do work.  Spin around holding a weight at arm's length and try to pull it in.  It takes work.  In the case of this wheel the energy to drive the weights against the ramp guides to force it towards the axle is being supplied by the inertia of the wheel (initially gained from the falling weights).  It will also try to accelerate the wheel since the weight an the larger radius is moving faster than the weight on the smaller radius.  In order to slow down the weight as it is moved in, energy is transferred to the wheel, causing it to speed up.  This is like the ice skater who spins faster by pulling their arms and legs in close to the axis of their spin.

Now when you allow that weight to move back out further away from the axle, the weight must be accelerated.  So it will slow the wheel.  It takes the energy it needs again from the inertia of the wheel (initially gained from the falling weights).

These interactions are all well known and follow exactly the equations of conventional physics.  The Potential Energy of a weight at the top of a wheel is converted to Kinetic Energy (velocity of the weight and rotation of the wheel) while falling.  That exact amount of Kinetic Energy is required to push, pull, swing, throw, etc. that weight back to the top of the wheel.  Without losses due to friction the sum is exactly zero.  With friction it is less and you never spin one entire revolution.

The weights in this wheel are brought in towards the axle by the ramps.  Centrifugal Force will cause them to throw out towards the rim again in just the motion Abeling describes, but those actions will absorb all the kinetic energy released by the falling weight side.  If turned by a motor it will perform quite spectacularly just as described, very similar to Cherryman and AquariuZ models have done.

So either Abeling has nothing new, OR, this patent protects the device by protecting only one of it's pieces.  There could still be some other unrevealed piece that makes the magic happen.  That secret piece may only work with a wheel and weight configuration which he now has patented.

I am regretably confident that this design cannot run as presented.  But could it be part of an as yet unrevealed whole?

Modelers, remember to keep to the scale of a wheel between 1.5 and 2 meters in diameter.  And good luck!

M.

Cherryman

Hi guys, im still alive!The MIB were tough but i resisted!  ;D

Had a quick look at the patent, "curved ramps"  ;D

Anyway..  here is a quick start to play with.

Timing, weight.. will be critical.




mrsean2k

Quote from: persume on April 12, 2009, 12:40:22 PM
HI S,
Your right. I can't fathom why there are those who immediately assume the invention must be true, or the inventor is on the up and up, just because the inventor has other companies names on his site. Your points are well taken and are what I was trying to get across.
Thanks.

Well you got them across as far as I'm concerned :-)

At this stage it boils down to opinion in the end. Not many people can look at things without any of their personal beliefs influencing things one way or another (me included of course).

Whether or not any of it's true, it's entertaining to speculate - you learn something one way or another.

NerzhDishual

Hi Figthers!

I have transformed the pdf file (Sjack Abeling patent NL1034252C1) into an .html file.

So, you are able to use Google for translating this .html file into your favorite language.
You can see some automatic translations on: http://freenrg.info/Sjack_Abeling/Patent/Html

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