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Overunity Machines Forum



Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

Quote from: stgpcm on May 16, 2009, 10:19:22 PM
It's called the scientific method. You've posed your hypothesis, I've posted an antithesis. your job is to explain why this system doesn't match your criteria.

Obviously I have chosen a case where it clearly isn't going to spin, but you need to explain why your reasoning disqualifies it.

No, scientific method isn't about refuting every stupid thought that might occur to somebody.

Now, you answer your own question.

Recall, the most conclusive criterion for perpetuum mobile is the persistent staying of the center of mass sideways to the axis of rotation. Persistent. Put the emphasis on this word and you'll be all set in distinguishing the trivial examples you give from the novelty. In a pendulum or in any other non-perpetuum mobile device the center of mass constantly shifts from left to right with respect to the axle until finally finds rest on the perpendicular passing through the axle. Your case is even worse (why?), so it doesn't even deserve attention. On the other hand, any device that displays the above persistent discrepancy is a perpetuum mobile. It always seeks equilibrium and never achieves it. A perpetuum mobie, that is. I'm explaining this for the umptieth time. Hopefully it will get across some day to some.

The above is corroborated fully by the torque measurements.

Reality of perpetuum mobile is proved rigorously, based on the scientific method, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Omnibus

@All,

Here are the results from the net torque of that particular wheel (see attached). Unfortunately, the ramp (track) consists of numerous small segments and isn't really a curve. That is the reason for the observed spread. The accuracy of determination is much improved compared to the previous curve I showed you because an elaborate program written AutoLisp has been applied for the obtainment of these torques, eliminating to a great extent the random errors. It's becoming clearer that we're dealing with a system which displays a practically constant value of the torque at any of its states -- a clear perpetuum mobile. Mechanically this is a more satisfying case than initially thought whereby variations of the torque seemed to be apparent.

Now we're on our way. Perpetuum mobile has been definitively proven real and the optimization efforts are under way.

P.S. The point at 30 degrees is missing because at that position the curve is really performing bad and the value obtained is of unrealistically higher torque than the rest of the points.

AB Hammer

Nope!

Omnibus

Take your top slot on the role and move it back to the 11:30. It now has more anti torque than the on close to the 1:30 mark so this leaves 2 slots with weights to lift 4. Sorry it is not going to happen. Your evidence is flawed, for something is incomplete. Real world experience tells you what will work and what will not. Or science would have figured it out long ago.

I just finished a test wheel that has 75% positive reaction and only 25% negative reaction. Now if I add another set that places the 75% positive reaction to over lay the 25% negative reaction. I might just have a runner. But even then there is no absolutes. LOL keep trying boys
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan

Omnibus

Quote from: AB Hammer on May 16, 2009, 11:53:08 PM
Nope!

Omnibus

Take your top slot on the role and move it back to the 11:30. It now has more anti torque than the on close to the 1:30 mark so this leaves 2 slots with weights to lift 4. Sorry it is not going to happen. Your evidence is flawed, for something is incomplete. Real world experience tells you what will work and what will not. Or science would have figured it out long ago.

I just finished a test wheel that has 75% positive reaction and only 25% negative reaction. Now if I add another set that places the 75% positive reaction to over lay the 25% negative reaction. I might just have a runner. But even then there is no absolutes. LOL keep trying boys

Science has figured it out long ago but has suppressed it. Leave this argument alone. Also, the laws of mechanics applied here are well understood and no error can be expected in calculations using these well-understood laws. The problem is yours. You haven't figured out how to overcome the friction so that the well-established perpetuum mobile effect can show itself.

rlortie

Jeez you guys are having fun, I do believe there is perpetual motion here. You have contributed 139 posts to my delete folder today!

I have three questions:
Is any body actually attempting to build this thing besides Dusty? Second: is any body offering any collaborating assistance with Dusty? 
Third: why have we not heard from Dusty or did I miss his latest update?

Ralph