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Carbon Arc Spark Gap COP Calculation

Started by Doctor Whodini, February 01, 2006, 03:37:33 PM

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gn0stik

Yes, magneto missed the units of measure. If you were measuring volts or amps, or even watts I would understand his argument. However, you were measuring Joules. Raw Energy, in, and then out AFTER any losses in the system.

I would like to see you further your experimentation, however. I would probably try different electrodes, deuterium, gold, silver, etc. I'd also like to see the effect of varied spark gaps, and introducing various gasses into the spark gap, caesium would be interesting, as firing high energy lasers through caesium gas tubes has shown a time differential. All of these things require hard to get, and expensive materials however, which makes it difficult. I would also, like to see a spark gap through electrolytic water, with D2 electrodes ;) ...

perhaps even charged water from a joe cell.

Man to have access to a real lab, with a budget would be fun for this project.

Elvis Oswald

Regardless of how the energy is measured, the fact remains that DC will not pass from primary to secondary coil on a transformer.  You need alternating curent to do that.

The energy charging the capacitor is coming off the secondary coil of the transformer.  It gets there through induction - produced by an alternating current in the primary coil. 

The shape of the power going into the primary has a lot to do with what passes to the secondary circuit and what doesn't.  And the shape of the power is not the same in the two setups.


Doctor Whodini

Magnetoelastic,

Not necessarily, the only thing thats different in the circuit is the addition of spark gaps and about 8 inches of wire. EVERTHING else is held constant - and I mean EVERTHING, which includes constant generator rpm, constant load capacitor, leyden jars remain constant, various circuit components don't change, the 15 second time period remains fixed, etc, etc, etc...

So, the question is, "why is their excess energy coming from a Carbon Arc???"

That is the question? The evidence is very very clear.

Bill

lancaIV

JL Naudin,the Prof.Vallee experiments
probably an answer !

S
  dL

p.s.:Mr.Dr. Whodini,I respect your trial and you offer a "very interesting library" !

Elvis Oswald

The evidence is that your capacitor is collecting more charge under certain conditions.
Since the amount of Ein to the secondary circuit (consisting of the secondary coil in the transformer and the capacitor) depends on the induction in the primary coil. 
Even if this is overunity - it is still true - The capacitor only receives energy through the secondary coil on the transformer... and the amount of energy generated in that secondary coil is dependant on induction.

If the spark gap setup has more inductance in the primary coil... we can't prove it's overunity unless the other setup is measured 100% efficient in transforming all the power of the WM Gen to the secondary circtuit.  If that's the case - you already have a great invention... but I suggest that it's not even close to 100%