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Overunity Machines Forum



MylowHJ Replication - Discussion

Started by wattsup, April 04, 2009, 08:49:58 PM

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X00013

That qoute hits home when it comes from an engineer working on a 20 billion dollar piece.

AnandAadhar

Quote from: TinselKoala on May 06, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
@watts: definition of "discussion":
http://dictionary.die.net/discussion

In my mind, this definition allows, nay requires, contrarian views. The statement you deleted, right after LC's excellent post, did not attack Mylow, it only challenged him.
I find it really ironic, but absolutely typical, that I am the one accused of "faking" something, and even being flamed and yes, attacked, when I am posting (or was posting) real results and pointing out how Mylow could be faking, and the inconsistencies in his behaviour and statements.
Like I said before, suppression of the truth is definitely happening in the free energy/ overunity research area. You can see it right here before your very eyeballs.

I agree with TK that a critical attitude must be allowed. We have to discriminate between criticism and offense. Offensive - to be banned - posts would be using the wrong words - personal attacks - to voice disappointment and cynicism. Criticism would be to test the alternative of dealing with a hoax we must always be aware of. So giving up the offenses we should not forsake our critical attitude. I myself became less critical about Mylow after his second version. I call what he does the overunity moment. There can be accidentally a constellation of parameters that gives overunity, but it is momentary because the know how is not really there: we don't know all the parameters to control and therefore cannot replicate it reliably.

In this search we are looking for the definitive formula for defining the time energy of the universe. My present stance is that maybe Et= Lr x Vr, or, in straight language: the energy of time in the universe is the product of a linear rotation like in a channelled HJ track setup and a vortex rotation like in a Hamel or IPMM set-up. This adds up with the linear rotational movement of planets and moons relative to the spiral vortex rotation of a galaxy.  Two different kinds of rotational force that each for themself offer only a overunity moment, but together properly combined in a machine may add up to reliable spin and overunity energy. In such a setup one would prove that the material, electromagnetic universe is intrinsically rotational. One thus may prove and catch the energy of time itself. This is all theory of course and maybe b.s. for that reason. But this is  the hypothesis I think is interesting to test with Mylow's magic. We are always testing theories in an experimental situation. So what is the correct theory, what is the correct formula for the kinetic energy we are looking for? What law of nature is so elusive that we can't get hold of it as yet, but we still give credibility intuitively?
Anand Aadhar free energy research pages: http://theorderoftime.com/science/free_energy/index.html

ALFPARTS

Quote from: newbie123 on May 06, 2009, 04:38:44 PM
How many people have bought his plans, and attempted a replication?



I think this is strange too...  In reality, people have absolutely no scientific reason to believe this guy's claims UNLESS they have seen it working in person, or replicated his experiment themselves...        People are going by this logic...   "He seems like an honest guy, therefore he must be telling the truth"      and even...  "The MIBs tried to interfere with his experiments, therefore he must be telling the truth!"  ...  This is just weird!   

There is a  (small) chance his magnetic motor works, and might not be in any violation any known physics laws... Or it could work and be utilizing new physics..   But until I see a few independent working replications I will have serious doubts.      I'm always extra skeptical about people trying to profit from their designs designs (who talk about MIBs, etc)..  Especially when nobody has produced a working replication!



Hello Guys and Gals. The 'Scientists' in the community are a needed element of safety and should take care to maintain a strict and professional focus on the accuracy of their observations. As well, the category within the Forum where these observations are noted should be appropriate and not such that is an over the shoulder menace. While the element of scrutiny serves a useful purpose it is the responsibility of those who assume this responsibility not misdirect and misapply their opinions. This sort of practice often produces damaging effects to the overall effort which has been launched in the direction of finding a solution.

   Aside from the views about authenticity..... being skeptical about the MIB stories might certainly be understandable since it is likely foreign to the reality of most individuals. However, persons of skepticism in regard to this matter should be preparing themselves to live that reality more than they ever thought possible. Also I would like to clarify the stance that Mylow himself has on the issue of 'profit' There has been and will be no attempt to by by him to profit from this venture. So far this endeavor has only been an expense and he is fine with this. He doesn't even hold any aspirations for so much as recovering his previous or future investments in the venture. There are some however who have, as well as others that might try to exploit the situation. Such intentions are well beyond his wishes and tolerance. Please be aware that he does not approve of this and will not condone it in any way. I certainly do not approve of it either. There are perhaps different forms or greed. 'Monetry' is just one. Intellectual control is another. 

It is not necessarily the responsibilty of the inventor or developer to justify a device by explaintion of theory or fact, except perhaps to the effect of simply producing a working unit. I saw a reference to the word 'amature' or 'amatuer' within this forum area as is pertains to Mylow. Well, Mylow may not even see himself as being to that level yet and has indicated such on more than one occasion. However, please do not let yourselves exercise the belief that the level of what some may refer to as education, intellect or professionalism or what have you, carries any weight with regard to an individual's right to attempt or accomplish results. That is a totalitarian point of view which is of direct and intolerable conflict with this effort to simply help humanity. No, of course I am not pointing the finger at YOU, and you know this:)

There 'may' presently successful replications of this type of design as well as others. Some are presently in use and others have been in use for a VERY long time. Those who possess these replications of the Mylow and other versions of PMM's also fortunately have sense enough to know that it is not presently prudent to divulge details within this type of venue as well as most others. However, such a time is painfully near and these functional devices will be revealed.

Please also keep in mind that this technology specifically IS and WILL be continued to be suppressed from the public. Showing the adversary that you possess the 'means' is usually a workable tactic but waving it around single handed and unloaded is an invitation to massacre.

There is more to this idea of making a PMM that most people realize. It is one of the gateway components to something far more fantastic.

Meanwhile, keep working and consider the secrets of the snowflake.

I hope that you can read between the lines.

TinselKoala

Quote from: corona on May 07, 2009, 12:54:45 AM
you should remember though that mylow's stator magnets, while they are from a motor, have been remagnetized. This has been mentioned by sterling on a number of occasions, they were remagnetized with a device from allmagnetics.com if I recall correctly. Most motor arc magnets will have N or S on the inside of the curve / outside of the curve, where now mylow's have the poles at each end of the arc, so N and S are at the points.

Andrew

Edit: I'm guessing it was done with this: http://www.allmagnetics.com/education/magnetizer.htm

Except, of course, that the motor magnets are made from a ferrite material of extremely high resistance to being demagnetized (or remagnetized.) That alnico remagnetizer would not be able to do much to a motor arc magnet.
Consider for a moment the engineering requirements for a DC motor arc magnet. Subject to strong rapidly changing fields from the armature coils. Subject to high temperatures. And so forth.

TinselKoala

@Alf:
Maybe those who have working designs know it isn't prudent to disclose them on the internet. But surely some of the people that do post, would be able to post real results that hinted that success might be near...like some magnet configuration that gave increased rundown times, or greater steady max speed when driven with known power, or some such. Sure, many people post subjective impressions that something might seem better than something else, but nobody has been able to show measurements that support even an approach to success.  Is it a situation of "all or none"? Is the correct configuration so sensitive that it works, but even the slightest change causes it to fail completely--?? So replication attempts aren't like shooting an arrow at a target, where even if you don't hit the bullseye you still get some points, but rather like shooting the arrow thru a knothole. No graceful degradation, no gradual approximations??
Then explain how Mylow got 8 different configs, with all kinds of magnets to run, when the rest of the open researchers haven't been able to produce, well, broccoli.

Then again, maybe there aren't really any magnet motors that run, prudent or not, and that knothole is really just an illusion.