Need replication of drag free generator test results, drawing attached

[Butch LaFonte]

The attached drawing is of a design we tested in the shop with a set up that worked on the same basic principle. we got very interesting results and have video of tests I will post to Youtube. When we put a load on the generator coils the load on the drive motor dropped? We have a very strange coil behavior though. When we ran power to the coils from an external power source (generator not turning) we got the amp flow that ohms law predicts for a given voltage. But when we ran the generator at high RPM we got very high voltage but extremely low amp flow. The voltage and amp flow did not match ohms law. We tried many different loads on the generator and still got low amp output. We talked with electrical engineers and got opinions from many sources but each opinion was different.
Burt Weirgerfelt, the inventor of the magnetic battery from years ago told me a few months ago that his company had the same problem, but solved it. He said he was not at liberty to discuss how they did it. What is actually going on in that coil is mystery at this point. I am asking anyone interested to replicate this design we have and see if you get the same drag free operation under load that we are getting. We did have eddy current drag, but that can be eliminated. the low amp output is a problem also. We got up to 600 volts during one run, but amp output was in milliamps. When you look at the drawing think about trying to make the device a motor by putting power to the coils. It is very obvious that the rotor would not turn even if you alternated the current flow direction. But also notice this is a possible indication why it seemed to be drag free in generator mode. The outer ellipse polarity reverses as the rotor turns causing a voltage/ current but no back drag on the rotor. This is a very interesting design we came up with and I feel it deserves looking into.
Note: Animation being done at this time
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

[Low-Q]

The attached drawing is of a design we tested in the shop with a set up that worked on the same basic principle. we got very interesting results and have video of tests I will post to Youtube. When we put a load on the generator coils the load on the drive motor dropped? We have a very strange coil behavior though. When we ran power to the coils from an external power source (generator not turning) we got the amp flow that ohms law predicts for a given voltage. But when we ran the generator at high RPM we got very high voltage but extremely low amp flow. The voltage and amp flow did not match ohms law. We tried many different loads on the generator and still got low amp output. We talked with electrical engineers and got opinions from many sources but each opinion was different.
Burt Weirgerfelt, the inventor of the magnetic battery from years ago told me a few months ago that his company had the same problem, but solved it. He said he was not at liberty to discuss how they did it. What is actually going on in that coil is mystery at this point. I am asking anyone interested to replicate this design we have and see if you get the same drag free operation under load that we are getting. We did have eddy current drag, but that can be eliminated. the low amp output is a problem also. We got up to 600 volts during one run, but amp output was in milliamps. When you look at the drawing think about trying to make the device a motor by putting power to the coils. It is very obvious that the rotor would not turn even if you alternated the current flow direction. But also notice this is a possible indication why it seemed to be drag free in generator mode. The outer ellipse polarity reverses as the rotor turns causing a voltage/ current but no back drag on the rotor. This is a very interesting design we came up with and I feel it deserves looking into.
Note: Animation being done at this time
Thanks,
Butch LaFonte

You know, higher frequencies, as when you speed up the rotor, the higher the impedance in the coil will go. That will cause less amps because there is a greater delay between amps and voltage as the frequency increase, so almost no energy can be taken out. In a perfect coil, there is 180 degree delay between amp and voltage at infinite frequency. There is a resistance in the coil wire that limits the delay to >180 degrees. The delay depends on frequency, resistance, and inductance. Greater inductance is greater delay. Greater frequency is greater delay. LESS resistance is greater delay.

These properties of a coil is used to make cross-over networks in loudspeakers. Capacitors have the very opposite properties. The amps are at most 180 degrees ahead voltage.

This means you can build a oscillator with a coil and a capacitor. In series, when resonance frequency are met, you will measure very high voltage separately over the coil and the capacitor compared to the supplied voltage. In parallell, you will measure much greater amps separately in the capacitor and the coil, than the current input from the generator.

Interesting things to play with.

Vidar

[hoptoad]

You know, higher frequencies, as when you speed up the rotor, the higher the impedance in the coil will go. That will cause less amps because there is a greater delay between amps and voltage as the frequency increase, so almost no energy can be taken out. In a perfect coil, there is 180 degree delay between amp and voltage at infinite frequency. There is a resistance in the coil wire that limits the delay to >180 degrees. The delay depends on frequency, resistance, and inductance. Greater inductance is greater delay. Greater frequency is greater delay. LESS resistance is greater delay.

These properties of a coil is used to make cross-over networks in loudspeakers. Capacitors have the very opposite properties. The amps are at most 180 degrees ahead voltage.

This means you can build a oscillator with a coil and a capacitor. In series, when resonance frequency are met, you will measure very high voltage separately over the coil and the capacitor compared to the supplied voltage. In parallell, you will measure much greater amps Tseparately in the capacitor and the coil, than the current input from the generator.

Interesting things to play with.

Vidar

The maximum possible delay (in a perfect inductor) is 90 degrees between voltage and current. Everything else you've said I agree with.
Cheers

[broli]

Why do people forget than wattage is linear. Meaning you can take a high voltage-low current and convert it to low voltage-low current to drive the motor that is driving this generator. You'll be amazed at the result.

[Butch LaFonte]

You know, higher frequencies, as when you speed up the rotor, the higher the impedance in the coil will go. That will cause less amps because there is a greater delay between amps and voltage as the frequency increase, so almost no energy can be taken out. In a perfect coil, there is 180 degree delay between amp and voltage at infinite frequency. There is a resistance in the coil wire that limits the delay to >180 degrees. The delay depends on frequency, resistance, and inductance. Greater inductance is greater delay. Greater frequency is greater delay. LESS resistance is greater delay.

These properties of a coil is used to make cross-over networks in loudspeakers. Capacitors have the very opposite properties. The amps are at most 180 degrees ahead voltage.

This means you can build a oscillator with a coil and a capacitor. In series, when resonance frequency are met, you will measure very high voltage separately over the coil and the capacitor compared to the supplied voltage. In parallell, you will measure much greater amps separately in the capacitor and the coil, than the current input from the generator.

Interesting things to play with.

Vidar

Vidar,
Ok, we know why the coil is not putting out the amps one would like to see from the indicated voltage. Does anyone have an idea how to overcome this "choking" off of amp flow? Also the type of load will change the behavior of the coil, pure resistive load, pure inductive load or a combination of the two. I didn't see a comment on load types and their effect?
Over the years I have read many thousands of comments explaining why someones design is not working, but I would say only around 5% follow up with a suggestion on how to maybe overcome the problem and make it work. I wonder where we would be right now if every comment explaining why something will not work was followed by at least a half hearted attempt to suggest a way to go about making it work?
Any suggestions on getting some amps out of this coil. Burt was running at 900 cycles per second on his coils and was able to overcome the problem, but is keeping quite how he did it.
Thanks guys for the input,
Butch