HHO and "Gas fired boiler"

[kajeeva]

As we will discuss, it is no longer enough to just create a lean supply chain. You must look further into supplier management and supplier performance to maximize value, reduce risks, and associated costs.

Creating an effective supplier management system involves more than cost cutting alone. It's wider-reaching than simply effectively sourcing, and requires that you monitor and measure the performance of your suppliers.

A Global Supply Chain We are doing business in a world that is increasingly reliant on a global supply chain, and supplier performance must be effectively calculated and evaluated for efficiency. Global trading options are certainly not getting any smaller, and with countries like China and Russia rapidly expanding their footprint in the free market economy, supplier performance and supplier management are reaching a critical point.

[hallo]

Please post links where one can buy natural gas powered boilers that can be easily modified to
run on Hydrogen gas only ! Kits would be great !
Many thanks !

[Mark69]

It can be done, just takes some experimenting.  This is where Myers brother was working on until everything went bad.  I have seen videos (youtube and on this site) of people converting propane stoves to hydrogen.  Basically they changed the size of the output orifices to, I believe, a smaller size as you don't need as much H as propane.  Also, you have to make sure you have a flame spark arrest device that is different as the one member said, the flame speed is so much faster with H.  This is where I would start if I was trying to make this work.  Once you get it to work with a propane stove (or grill) you should have half the battle complete.  Then the next step would be to be able to supply enough H to run the house furnace and make a system for on demand flow to the heater.  If you had an old furnace, start with that.  I think a couple of dry cells would be enough to produce H for a furnace.  The member Bruno (something close to that, if you search my posts, I have links to his site also in one of his threads we talk back and forth) makes them with the nylon separator, so I would probably talk to him for guidance. 

If you decide to try this, please post your steps so we can learn and/or help you along the way.  Pics and videos are always great!

Mark

[mscoffman]

First not all electrolytes added to water to decrease it's electical resistivity
produces noxious fumes. Some do. For example salt as in salt-water in NaCl.
If two Sodium Na atoms get together you simply get solid sodium metal particles
Na+Na in solution, but when two chlorine Cl atoms come together you get Cl^2,
noxious chlorine gas. The same thing probably happens with Sodium Bicarbonate
and the production of carbon dioxide. on the otherhand while KOH is itself
noxious lye, often described as an acid but is actually high basic, don't spatter
it, but its electrolysis reaction components are not noxious gases. K^2 is
potassium metal which stays in solution and the OH combines with the H from
water to produce H2O. Generally there is a water washing stage at the output
which gas is put through to make sure *no* KOH electrolyte splatter passes a
given point. You have to be careful because HCN is cyanide and yet nitrogen
N atoms can be gotten from the air.

So you have to be a chemist to decide whether the extra gas produced from
the electrolyte of the electrolsis reaction in water is noxious or not.

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Most likely, if your HC hydrocarbon fuel is highpriced, your electricity
is highpriced also. So only if your electricity is abnormally low priced
would if be cost effective to use hydrogen as a fuel. On earth, hydrogen
is a mobile carrier energy source, not a prime energy source like oil. Hydrogen
needs to be made from something else with some other energy source.

Only if you have a source of energy gain (and most likely the gain has a
LENR source at it's base) would it make sense to do what you saying. There
is informal LENR like Myers was probably using, or other forms of more formal
scientific LENR. But in general the law of conservation of energy applies as to
why you cannot make extra energy without having some sort of gain unit.
LENR energy is overunity only if you don't know where it comes from our don't
want to admit that LENR exists.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[CompuTutor]

Hydrogen is a base atomic structure,
it WILL sublimate ANY other material
if mixed with an oxider into a flame,
and put it in direct contact with the flame.

The only way around this is expose a material
to a smaller flame the material can safely convert
into a lower frequency near-IR emmision for use.

The direct flame of HHO, before it interacts with anything,
is not really that hot at all, most of us already know this
from passing our hand quickly through our torch's flame...

Like most current heaters, a method of heat exchange
is the only practical and efficient method to harvest heat.

Crystaline structure rock is awesome for this task,
it doesn't phase-change upon exposure directly,
(Meaning it doesn't directly sublimate upon exposure)
if exposed to smaller amounts of flame it can convert instead,
it comes in tubes and slabs to implement into heat exchangers,
and in the direct sense of generating true near-IR band heat,
natural crystalline stone is the best conversion media available !

Goggle if you don't know what I mean,
don't ask me to refer you to something...

Make really little "hole-in-a-slab" radiant heaters for personal use,
I would use a 15 to 17 watt flame maximum for modeling the supply...

HHO (Such a misnomer...) creates what it creates as output,
usage of it either utilizes the the exposed media as consumable,
(sublimates it into a gaseous or liquid state at a predictable rate)
or interacts with it as an energy conversion media as I suggest here.

Stone is key, test all locally available, WEAR A MASK,
but please pre-fire the winner three weeks OUTSIDE !