no lorentz....?

[mr_bojangles]

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5913.0
stumbled across that^


which made me think of this set-up



A. primary wheel (fixed axle)
B. axle for secondary wheel (un-fixed)
C. secondary wheel
D. coil of wire

concept- motor turns A., in turn turning C , (if B and A have similar gear teeth) C shall have magnets projecting in an outward fashion to be perpendicular towards D

lorentz force is now trying to keep C from rotating, if it were successful it would stop rotating and stick to the side of A. Gravity prevents secondary wheel to rotate around with primary wheel

force of gravity holds mass of wheel in same place, un-fixed axle causes rotation of magnetic field through coils of wire inducing current

this means that electricity needed to rotate the wheel would become constant (unaffected by increased magnetic field induced drag/friction)

once this amount is established, we would need only to figure out optimum generating ability of secondary wheel

primary wheel would rotate very slow


im aware this is similar to my other post (flywheel magnet generator)
but this one seems a bit more solid


random idea, wanted to see if anyone else had any thoughts on it or how they think it might work/not work


until next time

[mr_bojangles]

im working on a variation of this and i was wonder if anyone knew anything about a generator set up similar to this


what i mean is what do you think the relationship would be between; how much electricity is needed to rotate "x" lbs (x= weight of set up) and how much electricity would be produced from rotating a disk with magnets arranged that would induce voltage into surrounding coils


basically i want to know if anyone can tell me if there is any chance that if the perfect speed, weight, i.e. i.e. were found that it could possibly achieve self running or possibly OU status

a simple test to see if there is any net gain would be to find the ratio between a normal set up of a magnet with a motor spinning in front of a coil and measure the amount, and compare it to one that is able to rotate freely and possibly reduce lorentz force induced into the rotation of the magnetic disc itself


alas of course i am plagued with the dreaded and feared "i do not have the materials, so it is all in my head"

if anyone wishes to test it i figured out a way to deal with the whole "spokes" in the wheel interefering with the free axle, or C.


until next time

[BEP]

Lorentz or Lenz?
Lenz is the usual concern in a motor or generator.

[Paul-R]

Lorentz or Lenz?
Lenz is the usual concern in a motor or generator.

They are different.

Lorentz law is about the force on an electron due to a magnetic field

Lenz law says that if a field creates a current, that new current will create a new magnetic field, and that field will OPPOSE the
one which created it.

[mr_bojangles]

very true,

it would appear the current set up would be more conducive towards conquering a "lenzless" rotation in the magnet, or a way to make it compete with gravity and not the mechanism causing the rotation


hmmm

maybe it could instead be implemented in a system similar to hydroelectric or maybe a wind generating turbine as a more efficient means of obtaining electrical energy from the mechanical rotation of the turbine

any thoughts?