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Latest: No back torque generator.

Started by broli, May 01, 2009, 09:04:43 AM

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BWS

@gravityblock,

Yeah, the funny thing was that I had rather thick walled cylinders made of the mu metal and I had a B field probe that would just fit in the center of the cylinder.  When I put a neo mag on the outside of the cylinder it registered nearly no field in the center (remember this was about 15 years ago so I'd have to really dig to get more specifics) but when I put the conductive pins through the cylinders (with insulation) in the presence of a weaker field on the rotating unipolar generator, the shield failed completely to reduce induction there at all.  I was able to put voltage test leads very close to the ends of the shields as the generator rotated, so I could easily show the production of positive voltage and negative voltage on that machine with opposing fields.  I have 3 short videos of that big machine apart and spinning at about 1000 rpm from way back in '93 and '94 but they are in quicktime format (not allowed here).  If you want to see them and know how I can convert them or post them, let me know.  They don't have discussion of the mu metal.
  P.S.  I tend to agree with you on gravity, but I believe it to be more of an electric field field phenomena and less of a magnetic one.
-BWS

lumen

All the testing I have done with the homopolar generator tells me it can never be an OU device.

This is the main problem:

If you rotate a magnet on it's axis and no lines of force are cut, the field will rotate with the magnet because it is the easiest path to do no work.

If you try to use the rotating field to do work with a stationary coil, the field will stop rotating and become stationary, because this is the easiest path to do no work.
It is no problem to stop the field rotation because all the lines of force are of the same density and will just shift along the face of the magnet doing no work.

The rotating disk and stationary conductor can produce power only because this condition causes no choice for any easy path and either the disk or external conductor MUST cut lines of force.

If you shield the external in some way to become effective at not cutting lines of force then this would only cause the field to rotate and produce less or no output because this is the easiest path.

Every electron moved will cause a back emf regardless of whether it was moved in the disk or the external circuit. This is because if it didn't cause a back emf, then it didn't move.

This meets all the possible conditions in the homopolar generator and leaves no possible OU output.

IMO.

BWS

@lumen,
I apologize to others for repeating this info, but I think it worthy.  First, induction neither adds nor subtracts energy from any induced particle; i.e. there is no work performed on the particle, only a change in direction of motion.  The best example of this is the cyclotron where particles are induced to circulate in a magnetic field.  Induction is happening and there is no change in field strength.  Field lines are cut when a magnet rotates on it's axis of magnetization causing a voltage in the one piece generator; this is because the field does not rotate with the magnet.  This is the paradox of the unipolar generator; then the big question is "Is there back emf?"  if you answer yes, then you violate Newton's action=reaction rule because there is no stator and if you answer no, then you violate the conservation of energy rule.  In either case this is a big monkey wrench in textbook physics.  The unipolar generator has been well documented by the American Journal of Physics since 1978.
-BWS

gravityblock

Quote from: lumen on May 26, 2009, 07:34:35 PM
Every electron moved will cause a back emf regardless of whether it was moved in the disk or the external circuit. This is because if it didn't cause a back emf, then it didn't move.

This meets all the possible conditions in the homopolar generator and leaves no possible OU output.

IMO.

This is the mistake that everyone is making.

Do not confuse the electro motive force (EMF) with voltage.  The EMF is the work done in order to separate the charges.  The voltage is what moves those separated charges.  The voltage is equal to the EMF but is opposite in sign or direction, thus in opposition.

The more current you draw means more voltage potential that is being utilized, thus causing the EMF to have a lower ability to separate those charges which drops your potential voltage that is available to you.

Once you couple the voltage to the EMF to have the same polarity or direction, then you no longer have a voltage potential that is in opposition to the EMF in a closed loop.  This is how to achieve electrical OU.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

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lumen

QuoteField lines are cut when a magnet rotates on it's axis of magnetization causing a voltage in the one piece generator; this is because the field does not rotate with the magnet.

Your basis is on the fact that the field lines do not rotate. This is not always the case. You are talking constant density field lines around an axis, if you try to use these they will simply push the adjacent line and cause it to shift until it completes the full circle and no work would be done.

If what you are thinking is true, then the homopolar motor would not cause any push aginst the magnet because the lines of force are stationary in space. But we know this is not the case.

If you push the force lines only, they simply rotate around the axis even if the magnet is not turning!