Latest: No back torque generator.

[broli]

Do you think the smallest stranded litz wire ,type 7 0r 8 maybe,might pick it up better rather than just one solid wire?

The point is to have numerous windings even though the illustrations don't show it. The more windings the more the voltage theoretically gets multiplied.

Edit: Attached an illustration of what the setup would like like if I had two bar magnets.

[Low-Q]

If this is what you believe then I would recommend you NOT to build anything. The stationary wires can't be any source of generation like I said earlier. One wire comes in and the outer goes out so they cancel eachother's field and they are invisible to the rotating magnets.

One has to carefully analyze all the velocity vectors of this system to come to a conclusion. The simplest thought experiment is the linear one. If you understand that then you'll understand what I'm trying to do. Imo the mistake people make is thinking that uniform movement of a whole system doesn't matter. Sure newton told us a frame moving at constant speed is a reference frame. But this does not apply to EM.

When a conductr is moving over a magnet it will induce an EMF wether said magnet is attached to the conductor doesn't matter. Usually the same conductor will induce another EMF which cancels out the first one and brings 0 result. But in the designs I have been posting the total EMF is non 0. Think about it. Why does it matter wether the magnet is stationary or not. The magnetic field is a property of space/aether or w/e you want to call it. This is the absolute reference frame. Imagine taking a snapshot at some given time from this outside frame of reference and analyzing all the velocity vectors and then calcultating the forces.

Below you see a very simple linear setup that should prove the point. The front and back parts are what cause the EMF. The left and right sides are what will make you think about relative motion and what not.

I understand your idea - no doubt about it. What I have doubs about, is whether the coil will generate currents or not just by moving the whole thing in circle or straight forward. If velocity difference on the inner and outer part of the coil is important, this should rotate as you will try with your bicycle wheel.

If you then have, let say 1000 windings of thin wire, it would put out 1000 times the voltage compared to 1 winding. If it is possible to get 2 or 3mV with one winding, it would be possible to get 2 or 3 volts with 1000 windings. So soldering an LED in series with that 1000 winding coil should lit the LED just by moving the whole thing through the eather.

But you want to use an input and output wire to collect the energy. If so, I understand why there cannot be generated EMF in total in those two wires.

If I still misunderstand, you should build one and take some pictures of the build, and make a video on how it suppose to work and how you take out the energy. It is not allways given how it works by your drawings as they doesn't show the whole picture on how it is supose to look like in every detail. Good detailed drawings tells more than 1000 words of explanations

Vidar

[broli]

Vidar I'm not a mechanical engineer. I'm very limited when it comes to building stuff. So I can't put some A to Z instruction list together that covers everything. All I can do is spread the concept as best as I can and hope other will contribute to it by either improving it or using their skills to build it.

To come back on the principle. A homopolar motor/generator induces an EMF in the rotating plate the same way as this does. Even though the magnet is glued to the conductor and no relative motion is seen from their frame. If this wasn't the case the motor would accelerate to oblivion with the torque remaining constant at any RPM. In the case of the motor the brushing wire is the cause of torque while the moving conductor is the cause of back EMF that fights your applied current.

In the case of the generator aspect the rotating plate induces an EMF thus a current starts to flow. When the current leaves the system through the brushes in the stationary wire this will like the case with the motor result in a torque. If you analyze this torque you'll discover it is impeding your applied motion.

That is all there is to a homopolar motor/generator, I just took the idea a bit further.

This concept takes away the torque part and only keeps the induced EMF part. That is why this can't work as a motor. But with these latest designs I discovered something on paper that I would like to share when there's at least an induced EMF present.

Also the bicycle idea isn't coming along nicely. The frame of the bike is a problem and the brushing system is not straightforward. What I need is a flat wheel like mylow is using with maybe a ring and a pin for the brush/collector system. For someone with the right tools this is a half hour setup or less, but I'm a dimwit when it comes to building things.

[Low-Q]

Vidar I'm not a mechanical engineer. I'm very limited when it comes to building stuff. So I can't put some A to Z instruction list together that covers everything. All I can do is spread the concept as best as I can and hope other will contribute to it by either improving it or using their skills to build it.

To come back on the principle. A homopolar motor/generator induces an EMF in the rotating plate the same way as this does. Even though the magnet is glued to the conductor and no relative motion is seen from their frame. If this wasn't the case the motor would accelerate to oblivion with the torque remaining constant at any RPM. In the case of the motor the brushing wire is the cause of torque while the moving conductor is the cause of back EMF that fights your applied current.

In the case of the generator aspect the rotating plate induces an EMF thus a current starts to flow. When the current leaves the system through the brushes in the stationary wire this will like the case with the motor result in a torque. If you analyze this torque you'll discover it is impeding your applied motion.

That is all there is to a homopolar motor/generator, I just took the idea a bit further.

This concept takes away the torque part and only keeps the induced EMF part. That is why this can't work as a motor. But with these latest designs I discovered something on paper that I would like to share when there's at least an induced EMF present.

Also the bicycle idea isn't coming along nicely. The frame of the bike is a problem and the brushing system is not straightforward. What I need is a flat wheel like mylow is using with maybe a ring and a pin for the brush/collector system. For someone with the right tools this is a half hour setup or less, but I'm a dimwit when it comes to building things.

Thanks for being patient with me. I will make a prototype in my workshop, as it seems I have understood your idea.

Vidar

[Low-Q]

Here is the very first prototype. Not many windings, but this is how I understand the idea.