The Bob Boyce challenge

[dankie]

Its ok to be doubtful , but I find the attitudes of newbie and the like quite pointless .

If you can only whine and cry @ how everything sucks and everything is "speculation" and somehow thinking you are bsmart in all this , you were made for overunity.com . Stop whining @ how nothing is credible and start trying to understand . You are probably looking for that miracle easy to do thing before you waste your whole 100$ budget and have allergy to "raking risks" ... But this is how pathetic the OU community is , even if they are 5,000 they cant get anything done .

I have seen alot of proof and see something here in all this plethora of *ish* , for example,  there is a youtube user by the name Zeropointunlimited who made some quite remarkable videos .

Unfortunately all the good videos are gone now ...

[newbie123]

@newbie123
I understand your point and agree there is much speculation and confusion but I see this in mainstream science as well.These silly black holes, worm holes, multiple dimensions and fantasy particles ect... is nothing more than wild speculation and as you say the gullible public as well as scientists believe it is fact.

I've been watching some TV shows on physics lately (about extra dimensions)   and they take  it to the extreme (not nessesarily accepted theories)  just to make it more interesting, so I wouldn't go by everything you see on TV (if that is the case).. 

But quantum physics has made many amazing predictions and models of how things work in our world...    I.E.  the prediction of all the quarks confirmed 50 years later, etc..    Quarks, at one time,  were just as  crazy as wormholes and extra dimensions....

But calling these predictions "wild speculation" is just ignorant.. Sorry!

The fact of the matter is than none of these things have one shred of tangible proof to substantiate them, they have never been observed and any random measurements give no insight into what in fact it is in reality----again,wild speculation, is this what you consider "real science?",LOL. Here's a neat trick, the next time you meet a person or person's who considers themselves very knowledgeable ask them this simple question----"what is electricity,magnetism and gravity?"

Electricity and magnetism are very well understood!    Gravity is the least understood..  But if you boil it all down enough it will probably come into Quantum Electrodynamics (again, some amazing predictions are made by this!) ....   Then maybe down to "What is a photon"  and "Why does it always travel at the speed of light"   or ... "Why is the universal expansion accelerating?"   Which real scientists will usually admit they don't know exactly why, and what they are... And explain that Science isn't really geared toward figuring out what things are, exactly,  but more to model and predict their behavior.

I know there are lots of guys out there, in the FE development community, that'll say:  "electrons don't exist"  .. "free energy/ aether is all around you!" , etc..   But they are twisting the truth .. Or just spreading their own fantasy...   But there are some that have a very good understanding of how things work..

I also understand that some physicists are ignorant (or stubborn) about new ideas and theories.. ...  And they might  make fun of new ideas, experiments, and physicists who experiment with LENR/Cold Fusion, etc.. ..    These Physicists are just as bad, or worse than the FE amateurs who spread their own fantasy theories!


 

[Farrah Day]

AllCanadian

I don't really think there will be that many 'gulible' scientists out there, if anything they can be the greatest skeptics. Yes they may have conflicting theories from time to time until something is proven beyond doubt, but they are only theories, and usually even their theories are based on years of knowledge and experience. 

Yes some make mistakes and some get it completely wrong, but most scientists tend to predict rather than wildy speculate. And following a prediction based on known science and mathematics, they then go after tthe evidence to prove their theories right or wrong. This is how things in real science work and how real science progresses.

And, many things predicted are no longer prediction or speculation. Take the Cern Accelerator or the Hadron Colider that have discovered and confirmed quantum particles that scientists had previously only predicted the existence of.  Real scientists conducting real science.

It just seems strange to me that given the things mankind can now design and build, no one has been able to replicate devices such as Meyers WFC of Boyces super-efficient cell.

Dankie

Its ok to be doubtful , but I find the attitudes of newbie and the like quite pointless .

If you can only whine and cry @ how everything sucks and everything is "speculation" and somehow thinking you are bsmart in all this , you were made for overunity.com . Stop whining @ how nothing is credible and start trying to understand

The point is, Newbies attitude is not 'pointless', it is simply grounded.

No one is 'whining @ how nothing is credible', it's just that there is nothing in the way of proof to back up claims. And what is there to understand, most of these wild claims are not based on any science, to understand. No chemical reactions, no balanced equations...nada!

Talk is cheap... and anyone can do it... anyone can say anything, but you'd have to be totally insane to believe everything you were told by people you don't even know!!

[allcanadian]

@newbie123
Quote:
"Which real scientists will usually admit they don't know exactly why, and what they are... And explain that Science isn't really geared toward figuring out what things are, exactly,  but more to model and predict their behavior."

This is what I have found as well, the nobel prize winners are usually the ones admitting it's all "best guess" and that nobody really knows exactly what things are. Albert Einstein in his later years, when asked if he could have just one question answered supposedly stated---" I just want to know what an electron is". Maxwell in his papers stated many times he is not considering the fields external to matter nor the true nature of the effects only their behahior. I think science studies the nature of things but it is the inventors who have made the most relevant discoveries which benefit mankind directly, many of these inventors may not have a scientist's credentials but the best inventors follow rigorous scientific principals. Personally I keep notes on every experiment I have ever done and log the results.
Regards
AC

[d3adp00l]

scienetifically if it hasnt been replicated, and if it cant be replicated at will, then it doesnt exist.